Loïc: 0:05

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Caroline: 1:26

Thank you, Loik. I was reading that it was two days. It had been a moment, really a moment in two days.

Loïc: 1:32

It's clear. But the time we had so much remarked of ultra, the link is in the description in the first episode, if you have to prefer to go to enchant with it. But we had ultra, of your approach of endurance, how they were living on triathlon and trailing ultra cyclism. And you wanted an adventure entrepreneur, and we were in contact, not only via the entrepreneurs, because I saw also a business in the fool. We changed when we were at Outdoor Sports Valley, there were many, both, many things.

Caroline: 2:45

And I finished, I clothed also my first experience on entrepreneurial, which was terminated in the double. And two years, it was just a sort of renaissance. And it's incredible at what point I was épanou in this renaissance. It's like a K and we proposed adventure backpacking back in France and Europe. And the sport, in two years, I cut the time of this experience professional dolorose. I think that it was a little climax. I was like, the corner came when the mental issue. I think that it was the city. And I was sports for long time, after six months, eight months. And an hour after I found that class, and it was a return, and it was incredible. And I adored this course because it was the tour, because I spent my life in plain puissance, and I thought that it was the moment where we were aligned, but it had long time, it had already been one. And the silk road, I think it's the climax of this tour, or also of that present.

Loïc: 4:22

It was extremely pleasant to talk when you have a return after a period complicated. It's not evident, also because the sport is kind of part of integrated of their project and of your life. But one of the super pleasure for you to know that they're the same and they're putting a little bit more, because the silicone, but it's kind of an important monster. I've been a bit of a time of a companion in common, Adrian Charles. Alright, it was the one, but Adrian who also saw the podcast who had at the moment of his tour of Europe 13 or 14 kilometers for make in the world the autism. And from he was a phase a little complicated physically, and it was a little bit. And there were caskets of bivouak, bivouak a bit. So we have. But in the moment, it was a very pleasure for you. What I suppose is that you do a little bit about the silk road. And then if that is, we bascular on the part of entrepreneurial, bivak, what are the adventures that you proposed, how this is developed from a point of view of vision, business, but also enthusiasm along this format of bikepacking.

Caroline: 6:03

Okay.

Loïc: 6:04

The silkroad.

Caroline: 6:17

It's a little bit, it's kind of my grade in ultracyclism. Not only because in eight years I stayed in Kyrgyzstan and I went just in ultracyclism. And at the aeroport at the time, I saw a mechanic who had a great boat, and he transported his vélo. And I said, Ah, but what do you think? And he said, I went to participate at the first edition of a course that happened on the Silk Road Mountain Race. And it was super durable. We were 20, the weight was abandoned, there was a tempest at the colors, we passed quasiment to the frontier chinoise. And I think that it's that I wanted to get. And in fact, it will get my eyes after eight months. And to go where you should be eight years after. But I also did that I had to do the ultracyclist, I already passed other things.

Loïc: 8:05

Okay.

Caroline: 8:12

And I think the fact that I cut the genuine, it has the enemy to vélo. It has the enemy to use the vélo like a moment to ship it, but also like a moment to have a fun. And that's the VTT. I'm not VT, like I said, I began to the veto, after the gravel. But I don't know the VTT. I don't know the story where you lunch the fruit, you're in the mountain and you do abandon the vertige and at the montagne for doing your equilibrium. I think it's a big metaphor of the view to abandon abandoning disquilibre to do it. And I said I'm inside the silic road and I was inscribed like I'm after, because I have a little vent that tourbillon. No, but I was not realised that I was inscribed for the same day, yeah, six months on the Atlas and the Silk. And for the other participants, normally this course you have one per hour, max.

Loïc: 9:36

For having the time to recuperate, etc.

Caroline: 9:38

Well, it's also a good voyage, it's also an entraînment, you t'en met your corps. Parce que that would be also the project, it's a bit particularly, but I think you have really the ivresse post-blessure.

Speaker 2: 10:16

Wow.

Loïc: 10:28

Costa very costa, but I had not for the shit. So when I tried that for the preparation of the episode, I was verified at two or three events, because I'm saying it's not possible, it's cool. So you're trying to what I tried is that it's a little more than two kilometers, 1.7, 1800. After there's always that paper and the GPS, you know, the train, but there are two boards, what's what you have? But that's the event. 20 mil meters of the absolutely lunch. It's principally if you say, there are gents that are like gravel gravel, or no, it's VTT, VTT.

Caroline: 11:18

I have a mechanical, and when you see you say that it's a good idea.

Loïc: 11:28

Okay. But principally the routes of death, the page. And that's assistance and non-stop. So the chrono sank clenched. I've not read to have any barriers.

Caroline: 11:57

Yeah, there are. Because there's also this definition of ultracyclism that I'm talking about also what you present. L'ultracyclism is really that's autonomy, the the clock never stops. That's like you do with 24 hours, the 24 hours of your journey. And that's true that's absolutely grising because it doesn't rent in comment those parameters that the vitesse pure. And for comparison to Atlas, for example, Atlas is 1300 kilometers and a 25 miles, and it's for one semaine the cut-off. Although the silk is two semas, then it's the double time for a little bit the memory parameters, then we do not see the memory. And on the cutoff, that's a great thing also in ultra along the courses. When I say gross cutoff, that's like a course under a checkpoint. You don't reposition, you do not battery for being in the time. And on the silk you have a checkpoints that are just both the ones that the other, so that's motives to pousse.

Loïc: 14:01

And you said it was a course that you have in the mirror, it's an order that was already a little bit late, even if there had a data definite of what I think. But you rapidly remarked how the time, how you got an experience in ultra. What's what that course is affined? Because you said that completely improbable that you've had a guy who had the first edition, but if at the end, in the moment you discover different forms, other courses that you got in experience, this attract for the course is enforced, and if we're what aspects in particular? Is it the engagement of the terrain, the distance, the difficulty, the material?

Caroline: 14:52

Alright, I think after the debut on the ultra, what I think is affinity, I think, for these days.

Loïc: 16:54

When you say western, that's what?

Caroline: 17:00

I imagine also the solitude of the steppe, the vent that. I think I've had in the summer and the immense plain, but I don't know if I imagine I imagine they travers a little. And in fact, it's really phenomenal you traverses these immensities on days and immensities. I imagine that for compensation, this long travel plane, it's a great day. But it depends. It depends on the region where you pass in. For the moment I could not presage, it was really a year when I was on a plane immense, a plateau immense. And there's an example that you're always here, and it's so funny. And the tempest has come to arrive, and you know, and then you feel so bad. And then I'm making a couple, I said it arrives, it arrives, and there's this button the western where you face those elements, all the animals at the part of the truth. I'm sure. Dessen, it's a bit enigmatic, but the question of presentation.

Loïc: 18:43

It's as evident because you're not the one to say, and it's kind of what it's like, what you're trying to explain the immensity, the sentiment of being a little bit by the nature, the fact that they're completely exposed to the elements. But it is so much. I don't know if it's specific to this people. So I have the impression that it's not the point of the world where we can leave in a world just where you have things deserved that you are. I don't know if it's difficult to conceive for them. In the way I've heard a little inverse, to read at what point in an environment at the end of nature, etc. In fact, there's a pollution. I work in Swiss a bit more than three years. And it's nice. The territory is incredible for all. The velocity, the round, skipping, what you want. But the territory is too big, it's super complicated to work in the world. The way you went on a round, you say it's one of the things. And in fact, if you have a very attention, you went to you, you have a 360, there's two or three challenges, there's a pote electrical, you have a route at this room, a little bit, you know. And it's something that I did not pay, but I've been sensible. I was like, it's kind of funny. I'm in an hour, I've got two hours for. It's not violent in mode champion or barrage hydroelectric, you know. But you see the presence. So I conceived, because I've been talking, I think it's difficult to perfectly integrate what you described on the sensations of western, far west, grand plain, desertic. But in the concept also the impact that it would have to constantly have the presence human.

Caroline: 21:45

When I was in college or something like that, we said Tartarin of Tarascon. I don't know if you know what it is, it's the story of Tartarin. And hey, a year heard, he said, 'Indore in an eyes, fou, and I'm an adventure, and the morning hey, he is in the garden of people.' That I've seen that it's really a little bit the truth of the adventure modern, not only those that we've got on Instagram. So in fact you know that the one arrives here in bus. And that I know that I've really got an enjoy to go to that. Is that this one that's interesting is possible, exist au Maroc, dans l'Atlas, or là encore plus in Kyrgyzstan, you te sensitive, and yeah, you have the yurts the plug du, but they are very spacing. In group where they're in autonomy. At the time I the quatrième journey I'm gonna change at checkpoint, but I'm not putting me ravitailler.

Loïc: 24:57

Effectively. But it was what the great moments of your journey.

Caroline: 25:16

Right. Alright, I'm kind of I roll the max that I could roll, and after I dare, and I'm not. And at the moment, you're not a journey, there's no night. Although, in fact, the first night, I think what I've been doing, so the first week I've been dorming. The department is at 18 hours and we had a sommet, but monstruo of 140 kilometers. I wanna dorm a bit more at the pied of the month. Some of I was at the pied of the month, I'm not 50. And you pose 20 minutes and I've been dormant, and that was a good idea. Because after I tapped, after you tapped a 4000 after a night blanch, and I think I've been marched, really marched, marched, so it's also at a moment I was to march, I was three hours and I was marked with fatigue. And that's the year one. It was the first week, or the morning. And really I have the images when it passed the call and that I was incapable of marching. No, but I mean I had the recall. I was living three years ago, and the call line, I've already had it and I've rolled. And then I'm not marching, almost when I had the six or six years ago, I didn't know. It was really a somewhere. And I was the journey and then the summer I said I continue. It was 19 hours, so I said, I'm not dormant then. And then I saw a franci, Thibaut, who watched in the world, and he went to my girl and he said, Oh my God, it's showing my girl! And uh, you know? And he said, And he went, but I'm gonna have a lot of space to scale. I was made au pied and then I'm dormant. And at particular, it's later where I'm in place, very vite I've made in place my ritual for dormir. Alright, premier semaine, I would say it was like I couch as thousand, genre versus 22h and I revealed at 3h the matter.

Speaker 2: 28:07

Wow.

Caroline: 28:08

Sauf que au fur. Ouais, but it's 5 hours. In the right, it's a bit of a good thing. So you don't have the longer. Wait, and then you avances on the trace, it's hyper froid because you want to altitude. And in fact, you're a matter of time. Alright, I don't know in BV, but also in tente, sauf the premier. And since rare are those who are in BV. And I've enleved the tent of my setup the year after the part for dormant in Bivy. Alright, it's a sack of couchage that permit to isolate. And there are different qualities. There are a bit like a mini tent sarcophage, so it's cool. And you're one that all has on the courses ultra course, it's the bivy sold that is orange and who has a little couverture of survival, which has a structure, but it is not. And that's that I have. Oh yeah, that you've had the humidity, it's very rude. So at the moment of time, I loved the tender. And I had my protocol the morning. I made my vell just at the end of me. And in fact, I had just my show. I had just my four shot, which I did the first year, I had a little bit more, so I didn't see my beef. So the fourchet was loaded, the foot, not seeing my foot. And my noodles. The morning I started the mic, I made the light in my foot, and I prepared my noodles at 4 hours of the matter in the steps for me. After I put a cafe, up, and then I was applying the gold. And I put three plombs to sort of go to my bivy. Alors I was a little bit chop chop.

Loïc: 30:56

I don't pay, but then you changed in the bivy directly, you're gonna go to the place.

Caroline: 31:46

After the fact that it was frozen and zone, so you had the pluie certain weeks? I had the pluie certain weeks and it was the pluie. But if I had a very pluie, it's like I mean, it's difficult this. You imagine a groin of poussière a little bit of the step with an éclair that it flies a little bit. I don't know why I'm not sure.

Loïc: 33:15

You say, No, but you're not very loyal at the civilization, entre guillemets. But what you described, I visualise the truck, it's plain immense, the nuclear that rules, the tongue.

Caroline: 33:24

Yeah, and there's also the passage of river. The river crossing. But in fact, you don't have to travel the river. And you traversed the night. And the full at what point you changed your mindset. After you say, because I'm not gonna have my chaussettes at a whole time. You're like chaussures, chaussettes. After you say to role, and there's an evolution of the truck, you say. I adorable this, I think I march like that, it's a bit the thing that I'm in. I adore this animal that you've got a comprehensive because you're not fighting in the night of Lyon. I don't know, but there was that same energy, I'm pretty precious. And I admire let it turn it.

Loïc: 35:02

You did very well, it's super interesting. I really made a mother on the show, but when I think about the PTO, I went very well, so I think the way a little animal, I'm found, I put away, enormous, I shouldn't have, I turn to the road. It's a bit ridiculous. I don't know if it's the animal that's or the way you concentrate your energy on the things that are really difference, you know. To say, I don't know. I leave the chauss, I leave the chaussettes, I make correctly in a poche for nothing. It's kind of a charge mental, but if you trace too, but it's fine, you know.

Caroline: 35:46

There's a prove super rassuring in a course, like in a bikepacking or in an adventures in course. And when you have a trace, you know how to do it, in fact, there's a thing of you have the energy of display. In the way, your energy is linear. I had a rugby when I was in, and I was a fine, and in real mission was very simple, I fanced in the hand and I attract the feet. And there's really a thing of it. And I think my coach in the book had been on strategy on it. I went to the terrain, I'm directly. But you say it's bête. It's really a kiff, and I told that the courses ultra with ultra, with the difficulty are as well for me, not only for the entrepreneurial.

Loïc: 36:57

And you debranches.

Caroline: 37:12

And in fact, it was long time that I've had a voyage, I'll say sole. Wow, vertige! Because plus you vieillis, I think, plus you habitual to have a view. But bref. It's enough to explore a little bit by that.

Loïc: 37:53

In talking of voyage, you've looked a bit the fact that it's kind of great attendance, an immense territory globally safely, but you want yours, you create people, they're quite. I pose the question of people who live with our standards, our references, etc. That lives very different. That's what we can say in another time, you know, with a report just to talk and the argent, the rhythm of the life, which is really very of what we can do at Lyon or St. France. It's the regard that he put on you, Caroline, who is your VTT, and there's a chrono that turns, it's not six hours per year. Have you had an exchange like that?

Caroline: 38:45

I've got a bémol, there's a difference also between the kyr who happens in the yacht and a kir who is in Bishkek, in the different when you're in France to get a gym in haute montagne and Paris. I've been there. I have the impression that there was a great difference between when I was living in eight years and now. When I was living in eight years, it was not very developed touristically. It was an impression that I had. I had the it was a little bit it comes to the tourism and there was a surprise, there was also a surprise, but in the way there was a way non calculated. It was a business touristic, it was just the accueil and tourism. Like, when I was in a system of course, I think I could not portable regard. And in the yurts, in general, that I've created, they were croising other people of the course every time. For just this famous year of tempest, I was arrived at an end where there were three yurts, and then they had marked cafe in Syrique. And I said, What? You said that there's an allucination. And in fact, in this yard, there was there, there were two kids who have been there, and they were the accounts for people who were a fight in cheval. And there were two nanas who were a fight at cheval. And we spent all the five, and it's like I wanted to be affamied. I think I was with him this morning. And at the moment of the report, I said, Oh but I do. And I said, What? And that it was as well because they had the experience of cheval, the dame had also been surprised. It was a thing of fan for the case at vélo. And I think for the case, the dame who cared that the yurts, but it's always cool to see a pet nana tremendous that is on her vélo in the step.

Loïc: 41:45

We have routines, but I think for all the people, maybe the silic road, it's clear that it's a monster absolutely and that it's not.

Caroline: 41:52

I have a hike bike, for me. What's what the ratio marche, you know, for the ratio, but on hike bike, I think for the three years you're gonna marry two hours full?

Loïc: 42:17

Oh, quick. Okay.

Caroline: 42:36

And after you have the right hike bike that is announced that is 20 kilometers.

Loïc: 42:40

What? No.

Caroline: 42:42

And the okay, but it's the moment where you march. It's not that. And you know very well when it comes to hike bike because it's a it's a sort of roche enorme, the part of the hike bike where you do escalade. And that I think we have those and very surprised by the name of the hike bike. It's galera to it. I'm imagining really that it would be totally pointed that you don't pousse. No, it's not that. At a moment you don't push a month, but it's a rocher. What I'm saying, at the page, it's galère. And if you have a vertice, but it's more. There are a lot of people who have been as traumatized by that. I know that I was a little bit on the thing of wow, in fact, it's so cool. It's really where I think you pass a show, at the moment. And just a little bit the thing where you don't advance. That's not wow, it's a good thing. No, but it has been that. You said, but the mechan had the idea to trace that, you know, but no, in fact. And it's the show, when you want a river on poussant tonlo, and it's not a river douce, when you say you travel a number of river possible, you had you had seven. I'm a little thousand in the hike, like 20 hours, and you're tight because you don't pass the river of all. So that's the great hike. And I was passing 24 hours on this great night, and it's this night where I rolled, I've had the river after the room. It's wonderful because I said, but after that, I do work for my 24 hours. And then you go, and it's the moment where you say I'm traveling, it's okay. I'm gonna travel the river. I sure have this thing where you say, but at what moment you've got this energy to repart. That's clear. Alright, that's I think that it's a good idea to have a show of trail. I referee, I think I'm asked just after the course, and I think that it was a good idea to travel. I did it that it was easy. At the end I traveled the river with that, after I said marching with it. In fact, it's super glissing, the crocs, so I would say. That was funny because I had happy because I wanted to make it how she glissed or not. The night arrived, it was the plant. I remember two guys who are blocked in a pente of the river. And he said, I don't have to pass it, we don't have to pass, get the demi-tour. So I began to march on moonwalk. And in fact, it's not the official. It was that the other chemicals were also hardcore. So I wanted to push in the pants, and then there was a Russe there to me, but he said the French girl, she's bad food. And I think it was an accent incredible, n'est-tu? But it was very wrong because it was telling me the mechanism I created plenty of times, so it was the French girl at the end. No, but it was a good thing.

Loïc: 47:39

There's just a community that could be frapping. But for me, there's a model that is anti-derapant, it's okay. Check it out. Okay, so I've not tried this info on preparing episode.

Caroline: 48:16

And that's the hike that is announced. So it is. In fact, on the silk, the plus, I realize that's when you regard the famous course of dénivel, the next job the call, it's not all that passes into. Because the moment you say, Oh, but it's bad, in fact, after you have 20 kilometers of plats. You don't have to say that. Because now you return like a 20 kilometer face to the vent, so on a 20 kilometer of hike. It's just the big. It was really super frog this night. But I was part of the lending for a new hike, and I realized also that there were two means that were in a yurt just at the end of that where I was enjoying me pulling part of 1.10 on this plateau. And the plateau, I've been on the map. I was like, 20 kilometers, I want 20 kilometers and I done the page. But not really.

Loïc: 50:18

It was quite the early 24 hours after you terminated this experience completely full. Because I think physically, like the course of ultra, they're rapidly more crazy, so the mental went the role. In the moment you saw this course that had been eight years.

Caroline: 50:46

No, no, I'm not sure. But I think with the sommeil and de facto explosive, we're not the same thing that's a few. I think it's the Jesus, I clear an Angela that I've created, okay. And after I cross an Italian that I've created, an alliance that I created, and then we moved two cotton, and then we're there, we said, But the people. We're saying, but we were all here, but it's really the photo. We're so. And we had it as cool. And after his occupations. In reality, they were part of it. It was 120 bornes and two great calls officially. And then it's a which I made. I should be 21 hours and 2 hours the morning. And I was living the lunch at 10 hours, like that, one hour. So there's a gap, really. I did a mess where you've got a ruisseau, I'm gonna take my gourd, I but I'm gonna change, I'm posing to change. Where you say, but why this person is enough to do that? That's the moment where you do it, you have enough to do it. And after I said, But we don't change my class, any my experience. And I detest that when I started the course, that I've been. And I think that's a true that I'm gonna amel in the course, and in fact keep focus and keep fighting till the end. And in fact, there's just a thing where I have the question to put one of me at a moment, but that's the two great summers, and then just after the early summer, there were 20 kilometers of faux plat descending. It's full. It's faux. It fallacy pousse, descend, pousse, descend, pousser. Then I said it's incredible that I was to pousse my vélo. After three years and I had the impression of my corner that was muscular, was vivid, which I was like, it's funny because in parallel I was very aggregated by the faux faux plat. But at the moment I connected that my corner was in prise, I said it's oof. And then I put the energy and I rent in the park natural that permitted to pass the summer. And then I thought I said, Oh, in fact, I'm here and then I said, I think I dore, dor for not arrived and puzzle. And I pose, I've had a night, pas régénératrice, pasted in humid, but I said, It's also the first time that I could dorm in my baby, because after you rent at the village normal, we profit of that night and it would be charming. And after the summer was as fastidious. I think there's also a thing that's that mechanically the vélo is dead after three years of sable, done, of poussiers. And I passed the call and I see the scene, it's what qualifies this course is sublime, but it's as well that I arrived enough and I think that it was long. It was very difficult. And then, the 20 kilometers are on the route and plants. And now I achieved a pot of creme. I mean, and then I was in my prolongation and I'm really I said okay, I think I've got 23 km or 25 km of the year and I live, so it was and I said, No, but in fact she had the music, she was like a fin course courteous. And then the two derivatives come to eternity. Ah okay, and a pet parenthesis, is that I think I have a report particular at the time, at the end of the course, not only on ultra, because I was traumatized by certain courses where I have an impression of eternity that messes, because I come to count in sabliers and just advance. No, I mean plus, plus. And the impression that it's a torture. And so I say that it's that I'm manipulated for not thinking like that. And it's also for that I feel that technique of, I don't know machine. It's for not being in mode sablier.

Loïc: 57:01

I read your mind all the two minutes in that you've got one.

Caroline: 57:07

And then I'm in mode sablier. And it's for that I was refugeed in the performance possible for 20 kilometers of route. Because you concentrate on avance, you're not on the time. And for me, two kilometers after the day, I did two kilometers. But I think that the six minutes that I feel very long. And that was really cool. And at the time we had Hélène Fromanti who was on duo with her coffee and who was the same France other than me who was there and who was accuracy. It was very cool. No, steps, alright, I'm very prolongate. I'm sorry, I'll talk a bit of fashion. I'm very prolongate.

Loïc: 58:09

Okay. Wow. Don't chronofinal, you said three years, is that the hours, the trick. Well, for these environments, globally three years. The time rapidly, but the emotions it's quite in your life when you fresh that three years, I think it's a little sense at vif, I imagine, into the life, the intensity of what you've done, the solution, the function with all the people.

Caroline: 58:51

It's what in your eyes after three years, but also it's eight days to have this later, but it's not an equal, it's not an ethic dual, I would say that for us my life. It's just genre It's a course where I was extremely ancrosting in the present. Really, I've just been a little bit on a course. And I think that wow, in fact, I don't have to say what I had, I don't have it, really, this is the present that was as incredible. Sur the courses ultra in general, I remarked that the emotion, the sub, it went just on the 24 hours after. I've been the same on the TCR 20 kilometers after the day, I went to the summer after Burgess and it's really the thing of but in fact it's that. In revenge, when you arrive, there's a little it's not like a d'arrivée d'un iron man tu vois genre c'est parce que parce que c'est plus gros non mais parce que le jeu je pense que c'est parce que tu realises aussi dans la solitude l'arrivée alors que quand tu arrives and you're designing l'épuisement donc moi j'ai justement une lock I croy que j'ai pas posé mon sac à dos pendant une hour I déambulais là in the truck ah we have a photo ah genre at ta vache on the premiere and you do put an hotel oh merde putain comment I put an hotel super long I march I turn person it is another thing because in fact you did that you don't have to and then you have a voice at the city that said put the cafe I'm driving in a jardin very mighty to put the cafe with the mechanic his picture it was cool but breath but for me I did just a douche and dorm but it's like I think that it's later where the voyage comes that's cool. It's cool to not just be central and to say it happens at the code and to accue it a lot of energy but it's really cool. And once I think that's cool to have you because this mechanism is very inspiring.

Loïc: 1:01:31

Wow what adventure I don't think enough to made in too passenger or not too but the intensity of what you see in this three years the format I think three when you come to a long time with a lot of I think in all the cases it does be extremely fun in terms of emotions. I think I have an invitation in particular Thierry Orbarie who had a Liddy I don't know if you know it's it's a course historically a chance that actually evolved then you have to fat bike on ski in Alaska in Alaska or in Yukon? No, I don't know. Bref, Alaska or Yukon it's very fine that's sure he has got this course he had at payautonomy non-stop 27 for more 40 degrees of wheel. And from the Adrian who developed to organisate sort of parentheses I think it's exceptional in terms of enrichment of the way to return, etc.

Caroline: 1:02:47

That's a luxe it's a luxury, solitude, disons to be at the other book of the world it's a things also measure. It's a privilege.

Loïc: 1:03:15

But we're sure that we are in a point where we have the chance to do that. But we clearly have a chance enormous but it's a super transition on Bivouak because we were essentially the silk road is one of the early course ultra of this at the world but Bivouak is enough to want very far for explain a bit the lesson of Bivouak, your role the vision you have and we'll come by that to discutte the courses that we're proposing already.

Caroline: 1:03:56

Okay. Alright Bivouac are an adventure bikepacking but not so objective is to transform the imaginary voyage on top of proposing another and another vélo justamente course and competition at two prix and to proposing an colo backpacking for grand enfants sauvage because that is really the we think that we have to reconnect to the nature that this I think the confinement we have all in this enfant sauvage who reconnected to the author and at the nature and we are connected because we're in parce we are connected to the others also. And you know our objective is to create a lien between the author. And for that to propose a media and also the people it's the fans and the homes because we're the parité and one we embark on these bivouac. So in format court of a weekend so a format plus long where we traversed an frontier and it was one. It was 600 kilometers a little bit 100 days and we were 150 and it was genius. And really it's like where I said but we have to with my experience on ultra what I've seen is that in general there are the people who are there, who accueas dunce tu passes the light, if you're like your family, too. And the solitude sportify as I'm when you partake pendant with other people but enjoy to retrouve the image the plus dual who's retro peloton who's retro and there's an effort tour of France of the copains in fact because it's really two people who have been plus the journey they tapped the galib and because they're with the others and you say I want to say it's the thing I call my rhythm, I can see the yes in the way the hola, the things the larmes because they are two under those who are ultra and those who have a call in the franchise that's later where I said that's that I thought it's like we're going to make the most people for the derivation in Italy.

Loïc: 1:08:01

But I think when we had the early we had when we were in OSV etc it meant that it was the tapas that it was there that wanted exactly in my presentation I had the tapas on the I think the stories you made for the part of colour of the experience it was completely fine incredible. Adrian who has to do it's that we're a little bit of the image a little bit of the solitary that we have great course where there's the notion of chrono that the rest.

Caroline: 1:09:04

But in this course it's for that also we have the course because it facilitates the life. The group will constitute also in the life, by affinity, you return with a group who is why you have created incredible and there are many people who are and that I think really cool the possibility to get a new person that you're supposed to recently in your life two years and with why you have to pass one semaine because the truth of ensemble on the cœur of Bivouac and I'll touch the échappée the idea it was ported by the people of the community who visit and who say I would say the beauty of my territory I've got an itinerary I know the initiatives local the fruit and I'm a weekend to me. And so we know it creates a thing in France because the people are in France and when you're you're a weekend at the Rochelle, a weekend on Ardesh and the bypacking will be oops. And that's really cool.

Loïc: 1:10:53

It's genius but you're because 150 people the event that we're monstrous three years?

Caroline: 1:11:05

Two other episodes etc but at the end I started with Apple with Arnaud at the event where he worked on the Race Cross France and I'm at what point he gallais and it was incredible the number of participants it was more than 150 maybe the two days if I did not sponsor etc I think it was it was a chemical it's also another epoch I don't know what it was the raft it was seven it was 2017 the culture ultra in France it's good but it's just difficult to be a little bit I think with the ultra cyclist what I think is when I commenced ultra eight years and it was the first course and I evoluted the practice I also see the I should say the besides that I was of my generation I had parity I had eventually responsible I had convicted and that we had in it I think an evidence generation when we started and you could happen where the people were a product or a service of it we have the course ultra the world with 200 plus 500 kilometers there. No there's kind of that heritage quasiment cultural that you can pass your life on events of long distance because it's like ultra cyclist or triathlon or trail you no I think you have to proposing it. And I think also it's really the press the life the respiratory to visit enough of it.

Loïc: 1:13:45

Why do you want you double question what the suit of bivouak is what you're enjoying to planch with that notion of the project the community appropriates the project on wanting a format for example on a coin that they are but is the epic of Bivouak there are those you are enjoying to concentrate and at person that the new rouge invisible is installed or not?

Caroline: 1:14:22

Seven that you present as a hyper coherent but in fact in seven years I did have a wall grave and I also think that I should make a fine mobility and it's mobility no no plus mobility type yoga and then for the couple I commenced the crossfit an hour and I was super attired by the things of calisthenies.

unknown: 1:15:01

Okay.

Caroline: 1:15:09

Brave the movement but for other exploration of the mobility I'm like it's like it's fixing a movement to attendees because you have really course at the mobility because it's so and it's pretty to say I'm inscribed at the course the plus it sufficient all the years en faisant it's also that when you're the results already an entrepreneur to avance really at that and then you can see a mélange of what energy, what actions it's a bit passionate. And for respond to the question what's going to be for bivouac in the prochains or may the chance but concentration to concentrate on the development of the lien the lien between the community what it could appoint also what it can appear later, the people because I think it's one of the pressure you do approach the backpacking it's not really one to do. It's comment, comment, the week when you think, when you reflect at your itinerary and we're this on developing the part of media and the part of mise in relation of the community excellent okay okay okay and you're gonna have a Odyssey transfrontalier which is incredible.

Loïc: 1:17:30

Alright we have the transfrontalier versal transfrontalier versus the fritter okay okay okay version versus Italy there's opportunities cool. Trying to discover you consequent what the chapter for the distance or in terms of ambient you consequently I would decoure a little what I've got a bit of vélo but I'm really feeling ultra in manner distance concentration.

Caroline: 1:18:18

That's what the approach I think to sure Instagram because you have this consequences practical but also inspiration to say ah I think I can and it's so cool all these impression who participated at this day they were inscribed for the pasta. Alright when I say to it's not very I think 80% of the people who have the weekend are not because they have created a gang during the weekend but after you said they went on weekend to entrain etc or for they're pasta and Charlotte we said but that it's really what we're the pot the people they want to vélo, they don't live for and ensemble but it's that flash there are other formats of flash there are a flash also in mix it choisis just under fans we have two semaines it's the appearance and impulsion for a group mixed or also to tested a premier call or something.

Loïc: 1:19:49

And you have a flash mixed and we'll see if you're who will pass the link is in the description. I think the newsletter the newsletter I don't know what it is but Charlotte Bravo Charlotte if you're the style is the style is really very simple a bit decaly and very agreeable to learn. So find it also I think the newsletter before the sit we do not very frankly Caro an immense mercy. It's super pleasant that you're very interesting to the silk because it's kind of there are many people who align the course like that. And it's interesting also to the message I'm an entrepreneur in link with my practice at the moment, it has not functioned, I rebond, it works it's also a message that's very inspirant to say the success it's kind of hyper complex in France.

Caroline: 1:21:14

An immense mercy Caro est-ce que toi message that you would pass that idea to retrouver to know that the ritual is what pay the plus in the remetting the tâche and arrive at a immense ritual.

Loïc: 1:22:05

Genial bah écoute merci beaucoup Caro bon development for the suite of Bivouac depuis routine c'est bon on message on place