SPEAKER_00: 2:10

Hello, hello! We've got the podcast of those and those who dispassed. I'm your host, Loic, ancient sports of niveau in judo, coach, preparate mentality and activities outdoors in two genres. My conviction is that we have all a little bit of folks and audace, an version a little bit frapping of us with a potential exceptional that. I created this podcast to discover people and homes who have okay. My invitation are athletics of two niveau, professional, voyage on long courses, entrepreneurs or military, forces specialists. Attention, an écoute regular can entrain a changement positivity, irrévocable in vos. I'm absolutely ravi to receive au micro défrappé. Merci beaucoup to Louis Demareuil d'ailleurs and Guillaume Malcani. I think the premier to have parallel of the sort of tongue, it's Guillaume Malcani, which I've had the chance to reveal on the podcast. And Mario, it's a long time that I've changed with this edition. He must gentlemen envoy other ancient invitations, Louis Saillant notamment. So Moyav to the podcast. Moyav, we're very occupied, so we'll see in order that this échange was the pretty efficace possible. For author, I catch it, it's a very challenge. It's frankly clearly the case. It's hallucinant at the lecture of your life, of all the interviews that I've been reading on the sueur, legend. If we synthetic in very breath, you're an ancient judoka a big point that we have in common. It's possible.

SPEAKER_03: 4:35

No, not the fact I read the test, but I've been a bit particularly because the 13th RDP I postulated in my engagement in 2008. And like I said, I was engaged a little bit more tight and I was pressed to rent the army.

SPEAKER_00: 5:03

In the way it was one, is that for integrated.

SPEAKER_03: 5:06

A little bit and plus in the final. And I said that I was a little bit tight on the force special and I chose the 27th battle. And in fact, in the course of my life, when I was guardian of the paix in the police national police, I reparated the test, I re-postulated enough candidate ultérieur, it's apparent.

SPEAKER_00: 5:45

Okay. The judo is transformed. I'm not saying assideman as ever, but now you're also in the MMA, the frontier of professional. And now students in medicine. And accessories of two people, if I don't know. It's hallucinating. So we're going to put a feel rouge and say certain of these experiences, get a zoom to certain moments of certain moments of each other's great experience of life. The first question that I'm posing is just the feel rouge. But the feel rouge, too, when you regard in the regards who arrives just down to you with his attitudes of medicine, you know that it's what.

SPEAKER_03: 7:11

I saw what. See, if I have a feel rouge, the service. The first part of my life of adult, it's the service of drapeau, and the service at the protection of people, and by the police. And already and I enjoy other people on so you want a girl, they malads, on them aiding in their life that could be kata or guéri or so, that's my feel rough.

SPEAKER_00: 8:37

A service through a family military, or in the way there's this notion of service, so military or medicine or this.

SPEAKER_03: 9:09

After okay, I've been a person of my family plenty of people, family alloying that were in the arm. But since my entourage project, premier circle, no, I'm not military, I'm not policies, pas de gendarmes.

SPEAKER_00: 9:31

The 27th, we're too much in the detail, 27th Battle of the Chasseur Alpin. There are other ports that are possible. In revenue, you've got one that is accessible, and the other you can attend until the CD verrouilles. And it's called the 13th RDP, 13th regiment of dragons parachutists, unit of force special.

SPEAKER_03: 10:00

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00: 10:05

Alright, for schematic, and you said I think none of what, because the university fascinating, but I'm very late to be an expert. Globally, the 13th RDP, what I've always explained, is the guys who are with 90 kilos of matos on the door and enter pendant potentially to make the observation and report your enseignment.

SPEAKER_03: 10:22

Well, exactly.

SPEAKER_00: 10:59

You decide you could opt for the bataillon de chasseur alpin, 27th Bataillon de Chasseur Alpin. The specificity of the chasseurs alpine, along the environment, I think it's in the nom, it parlera un peu at the moment, an environment montagne, but is there other specificities of this type of unity?

SPEAKER_03: 11:49

After my incorporation, it was a little the objective at one and long term to integrate this unit. After having different different operations exterior, I would dip a regiment of force special or the CIRP.

SPEAKER_00: 12:38

Wow, pine.

SPEAKER_03: 13:22

Exactly. We had to Kaya, which is the aeroport that was an aeroport international. Bagram is the aeroport, it was the great base American. And we arrived at Kaya, we were two or three years. And after we embarked the night with the EDECO to rejoin our different bases, it's FOB. The bases. Exactly. There are bases, the pet in the valley.

SPEAKER_00: 14:01

It's a bit like when you passed from New York at a petlin in the Creuse, when you arrive at Bagram, I imagine, where you have the Burger King, if you can see.

SPEAKER_03: 14:08

Exactly. You told me a bit of two. In fact, the Americans rest very long. It's wrong.

SPEAKER_00: 14:42

And contrast, the phobes, the petite bases where you retrovey, it releases a quote?

SPEAKER_03: 15:00

It's environmental, it's a murder in Bastion Wall. The Bastion Wall is a space of gross cubes with Trey soud, with an interior of the terrace, which is monted to environment 3-5 meters of hauteur and the tour with an entry.

SPEAKER_00: 16:36

And you couple the question that I'm posing is is that on arriving 22 deployment? 22 answers they're quite a bit fray in the life. We have a conviction, you know, entre the convictions that you've had the moment when you were engaged, in the church in the army, I don't know about convictions, but what I've been cherry on rejoining the institution, and what you see, what you decoure, your place, because your baptism of feel is unviolent and mega soon. Is that a moment a little wake-up call where you say what the vache, in fact, it's that or not that was prepared to say formation, the rencontres that you have to have with the military, etc.

SPEAKER_03: 17:37

No, when I arrived, I didn't excited, sure excited. Fier de fier, content d'être là, excited. Après I too rappelé at the reality on arriving with the mortal légionnaire, Goran, who lending arrived on a mission after a rafale de PKM in the door and decided.

SPEAKER_00: 19:24

What was the journey typiquement?

SPEAKER_03: 19:41

My journey.

SPEAKER_00: 21:16

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03: 22:16

Exactly. We had other groups. We had to start with my group, the elite and a group that was not Protek of Fantasin, but it also arrived to work with operators, the commandos of CPA 10, 13, it depends on the mission, it depends on what we had. But the time we were deployed on a month, we infiltrate, and after we were in the way to renseign and appuyant with the missile the unit valley, in front of valley or in basic valley. And we were a solomon, when we were decelered, we submitted a little bit because it was complicated when the enemy commented to imbriqueness, etc. Compliquy to make a demande de mortier or the hélicos.

SPEAKER_00: 23:59

D'ailleurs, pour ta tétiner un peu ce que tu viens de dire, dans le livre, I think you le tit, une expression militaire qui dit qui tient le haut, tient le bas. Donc l'émission d'appui, c'est finalement ce que tu dis, vous étiez en hauteur, les yeux and les anges gardiens de ceux qui étaient en dessous dans les valets. Tu disais un peu plus tôt que vous partiez parfois à pied, vous sortiez à pied de la phob for one journey or plusieurs jours. Il y a une mission that you raconte in the living. Alright, plusieurs that are hallucinated and certain as drôles. Uh that during seven years. I think I've heard on those interviews, but I've tried as hallucinant. The first is that we had 100 kilos of matos. Low, the nourriture.

SPEAKER_03: 24:59

Low, the nourriture, the munitions, the equipment of nits for vision nocturne, etc.

SPEAKER_00: 25:16

You think a missile is a dizaine de kilos, global.

SPEAKER_03: 25:22

Le plus léger doit, je crois que de mémoire, il fait 12,6 kg. Et le plus lourd, il doit faire 19 kg. En fait, ça dépendait la génération du missile et de la charge, de la charge qu'il y avait à l'intérieur d'explosives.

SPEAKER_00: 25:39

Ok. Donc premier point déjà pour voilà, qui reflète un peu, je pense, la rusticité et le côté partiat de ce genre de mission. Et le deuxième point que j'ai trouvé, qui va dans le même sens, tu vois, ça montre aussi à quel point vous finalement vous deviez un peu vous gérer vous-même avec les moyens du bord. C'est le ravitaillement, qui est assez énorme. Parce que tu dis que it's five de mulet.

SPEAKER_02: 26:04

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00: 26:08

A local, if you're not ready, he was ravitaillé avec ses millets.

SPEAKER_03: 26:20

And the Valley d'Alassay, the Valley is division in two valley that were at Sandabat. And we went on a petaph and a sanctuary. It was the zone sanctuary design. And we were defense ferme en haut and appuyant that nettoy the valley en bas.

SPEAKER_00: 27:57

Excellent. So we regard on mangeant le pain local, the ravitos american of Burger King on hélico.

SPEAKER_03: 28:06

Donc nous on mangeait notre vieille ration de combat dégueulasse.

SPEAKER_00: 28:11

Oh là là. Alors I serait assez curiosity to this mission in detail, but just a petite parenthesis.

SPEAKER_03: 28:40

L'armée already essay to fancy pas d'ailleurs, elle s'équipe vraiment de mise and more. The logistic is top now, but continue to cultivate the manner of traveling on the rusticity. And I think the chef continue to have this gêne for some army, for his army. And we with a couteau and couteau on peut faire une cabane. We could cause a trouble combat with a cuir. Donc tu apprends rapidement à t'adapter.

SPEAKER_00: 30:21

Pour revenir du coup sur cette mission, dans le livre, tu là encore une fois tu le détailles bien, mais tu t'évoquais un petit peu complicated, c'est que les insurgés sur place had to imbriqué entre un thing. C'est-à-dire qu'en gros, physically, they wanted to placer the pretty project of different unit frances or allies to appear the other. On this mission, you have used the term defense total, I think. Defense?

SPEAKER_03: 30:55

Defense firm.

SPEAKER_00: 30:56

Defense firm. So that's what we don't bought on your position code.

SPEAKER_03: 31:02

We defend the position code, we have a strategy, we have place to defend the position. Okay. And it's imbriquet, the manner of the war has not changed. I think it's Napoleon who had made it in place. And it's just what he said already. And the hedic, the avion chas, aérienne. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00: 32:46

Potentially passed.

SPEAKER_03: 32:48

Well, it's just arrived. I've always been fascinated by the couches and the level of sole. And there are other things that are bad in a pay that is plenty dangerous.

SPEAKER_00: 33:28

In the way I imagine at the epoch for a militaire français, you may have not fit tourism tranquillement sur Talaret Davidson achet à Bagram.

SPEAKER_03: 33:38

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00: 33:56

And on the time, regularly in the lives, you explain that you literally have a lien very important with the people who are at you in tennis.

SPEAKER_03: 34:04

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00: 34:12

Is that the civil in France have conscience of the rusticity, the type of engagement that they've had? Noel, it's a moment symbolically, we're in a country malgré too with a very forth heritage christian, but Noel apparently all the time, if we could say Noel. But to Noel 2011, is you said that it was a little moment hyper fort with the people who are along with you because we were in a galère infâme and infernal.

SPEAKER_03: 34:39

It's a cop, it's not a phob, it's a cop. So it's 20 meters by 30 meters, the bastion wall, where we could just rang the vehicle and des petites tentes to dormir. Donc là, it's a zone where we observe a part of the valley, and it's a zone for defend an axe qui s'appelait l'axe Vermont, which is an axe qui relie la Chine à l'Afghanistan. And this axe-là aussi, je crois, il y avait une autre partie de l'axe qui partait. C'était une porte d'entrée pour les talibans, cette valley-là, enfin cette région-là. Donc on a passé à Noël dans 30 mètres sur 30 mètres, on était une trentaine. Noël, c'était sympa. We have fetted with the Talibans in face, it's cool.

SPEAKER_00: 35:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 36:06

After the partial, it's my chance at the moment, but after the partial, we'll just get a pet. Try the copains, when I'm at Annecy, they blog for ski.

SPEAKER_00: 36:31

Excellent.

SPEAKER_03: 36:43

It's really the class. And in fact, it's a section that engages, which incorporates. And I did incorporate for a section at the section apply, we have the at the point of battalion, we have the Milan, the Mortier, and after you have also the Tiro d'Elite who have rejoined. We had ensemble during our class. We had commenced the class at one quarantine, we had finished a diza. We had ensemble, we connected very well, we connected the default, the qualities of the other.

SPEAKER_00: 38:39

Is there other things that are particularly marked?

SPEAKER_03: 38:48

Well, resume the fraternity that I've had and my camaraderie. L'arm has its quality, has his default. L'armine our education. Apprene to be comported in society, respect the parole done, at least, get more, because we don't recommence, and then we are punished. The fact that a contrat à l'armée. Le judo, it's a great part of my life. I commenced at six years, I think. J'ai un peu niveau with the premium divisions, premium divisions on Indiv. When I'm in an equipe of judo, in a club of niveau, I passed by Poissy, I passed by Blanc Mesnil, Argenteuil. So at Poissy, it was a bad companion, we had an entrainment, we had the stage ensemble, we started on stage ensemble in Allemagne, on montagnes, etc.

SPEAKER_00: 42:44

The stage in Allemagne.

SPEAKER_03: 42:56

I've always judo appreciated to be a group.

SPEAKER_00: 43:16

Ah ouais, moins de 100, okay, okay, okay. T'étais en plus de 90 du coup?

SPEAKER_03: 43:31

En KD, non en KD j'étais en moins de 81.

SPEAKER_00: 43:35

Ah, t'es en moins de 90, ok. Ok. Bah on se sera croisé alors. J'étais en moins de 90. Gros régime permanent, mais moins de 90 quand même jusqu'à début de junior.

SPEAKER_03: 43:49

Ok. T'es quelle génération, judo? Moi je suis 90. T'es la génération juste après moi. Je suis la génération Rinner, Pietri.

SPEAKER_00: 43:59

Bah ouais, mais moi, Pietri, c'est pareil. J'ai fait le premier champion de France avec lui. On était dans le même train parce que le pôle France de Nietzsche et de Marseille montaient ensemble. Je me revois encore dans le taxi avec son père sur le retour des premiers champions de France. Je crois qu'il avait fait troisième ou pas de podium, je ne sais plus. Moi, j'avais perdu en finale. Mais ouais, du coup, une génération en dessous de Teddy. Mais ça se trouve, on s'était croisé à Oulga ou sur des stages comme ça.

SPEAKER_03: 44:28

Oulgat, j'ai jamais voulu faire. Sur des labels, sur des labels ou peut-être sur les premières dives.

SPEAKER_00: 44:34

Ouais. Marrant. Incroyable. On est du coup, si on revient sur l'armée, donc fin de. Tu décides de mettre un terme à ton contrat. Si tu peux nous faire un petit récap au bout de combien de temps?

SPEAKER_03: 44:54

J'ai fait un premier contrat de 5 ans. Ouais. Et ensuite, je suis retourné après quand j'étais en dispo police a certainement.

SPEAKER_00: 45:06

Okay. Tu as eu du coup entre ces two experiences, donc il y a eu la police. Encore une fois, il y a eu tellement d'étapes intermediaires, t'as repassé des selections. Donc 2012, c'était le premier Pays-Marin, that's that?

SPEAKER_03: 45:28

Ouais, et le CRP aussi. Je l'avais pas eu. CRP, je l'avais pas eu à cette époque-là.

SPEAKER_00: 45:34

Il y a aussi eu un événement tragique dont tu parles dans le livre.

SPEAKER_02: 45:42

Moi je suis l'aîné de la fratrie.

SPEAKER_00: 45:43

L'aîné d'une fratrie. Vous étiez trois frères. Exactly. Ton petit frère Joseph, du coup, tu expliques dans le livre that he decided in an accident of the route in 2012. Du coup, I have two questions for that. The first is I feel gaffe because I don't know if it appears like a question until voyeurists, etc. And not only in the shows that I've had at the moment.

SPEAKER_03: 48:47

Ou so je quitte. La disparition.

SPEAKER_00: 49:55

The police, alors t'en parle, tu finis dans les cinq premiers, si je ne me trompe pas, parce que tu as été tellement de fewers major de promo dans tes différents tests, examens, etc. Mais very souvent soit major, soit dans les two premiers. And we propose du coup, it's a system d'affectation on merit, en fait. C'est les plus méritants, ceux qui réussissent the most examens, who choisissent who they want globally. And apparently the person who gets the affectations on live, you know, because you watch the places.

SPEAKER_03: 50:38

We watch the places definitely, and all these écoles are reliant in communication, and chaque eleventh who arrives at some class, but it would be an eleventh of Wassel, Nîmes, the Périgueux, etc.

SPEAKER_00: 50:58

And less on live, the person who supervises the system d'affectation, said to say, but we pour yelling n'importe où we fit.

SPEAKER_02: 51:09

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03: 51:10

Sur le papier you have a post that were interesting. I think that is also the judo in competitor. But the part of stage, when we turn on the premier, we are assuming, but we can work on a stage that are also interesting, where we have a stage and for have a grad, the premier, etc. etc. So that's a little bit formatted at that point of competition that is sort of the measure for have a satisfaction, the time, and potentially. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00: 53:32

Excellent. It's interesting because you did a thousand years that the Army had plenty of bad value, etc. But that you clearly.

SPEAKER_03: 54:12

Exactly. It's kind of cultivary. I think that there has a culture in our army, the meritocracy. We have to do all tesan to put a grade, passage of militaire durant to sous-off, militaire durant to official, etc. We have to do those chance. The pyramid will grim as rapidly. L'armée rest quickly like that.

SPEAKER_00: 55:05

C'est vrai que tu parles de ça in the living, not only of the fraternity, the connection between people, which the police is definitely your experience in the case, it's the gentleman.

SPEAKER_03: 55:32

After I could not say that it's party. And if it would have been marched on the girl for arrive at their feelings, that was voluntary and with a sourire. I was removed later. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:13

But you can't évoque hyper rapidly an intervention that you tell very in detail in the living. If I think you retreat face to me, you find usage of your arm. It proves that the bracker fichier finally decided a bit of time after. Immediately you predict the premier swings at your colleague, evidently, but your colleague is that we're not talking about, but I don't know if you consider that you have solved the life, but in the way you produce the premier swings. And the premier too are possible one by your experience in the army, where you had been formed on this sujet, and two by the fact that you've decided to equipped a pet perso of a petroute of premier twins on your vehicle de patrouille, and service this journey, and you created it, which is global. by plenty of united police from a case where it's gonna be formed, equipped and pretty intervening.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:12

Exactly. We had intervenants on that intervention link effectively on a five à Yann. Néanmoins j'ai été seul du taf sur Yann. Seul If it's eight bras. He was not accompany of two colleagues sur Yann when I commenced a médically. It's as complicated. It's the conscience an etat un peu neuro six simplify un peu les choses d'un d'un d'un personne who is medicalism.

SPEAKER_00: 1:03:26

Okay. Okay. Don't you just actually 3 quasiment to work on it.

SPEAKER_03: 1:04:02

He was seen là dessus d'équipe après aujourd'hui the other are restoring and avant là dessus but je tiens à remettre un peu the village the cloche au milieu en disant que je n'ai pas sûr intervention tout the breaker it's a travail to take the couverture at that we were taught we have been fit it's personal are decided. It's a miracle for Yann I'm not an expert medical or military button theligned for Yannick and plus the medicine desired of the BMI PP. Alas it's the medicine we have long he said the mortal en calamin.

SPEAKER_00: 1:05:38

And Frank has also for Yann at the hôpital and a travail équipe intervenant and the pompiers de Paris avec le médecin des pompiers de Paris puis après le travail à l'hôpital avec neurochirurgien etc au fait medicalement parlant en savoir en connaissance etc on three concentres plutôt sur la podologie si je ne me trompe pas le podologie je l'ai ça y est je suis podologue c'est paramédical là je me là je m'oriente plus si je peux ça dépend de mon classement mais j'aimerais bien m'orienter sur une spécialité de chirurgie donc une espèce de réanimation désolé pour la confusion mais du coup est-ce que maintenant aujourd'hui que tu vois tu t'engranges tes connaissances médicales qui je suppose sont quand même beaucoup plus pointues que ce que tu avais fait à l'armée est-ce que cette situation tu vois tout ce qui s'est passé ce jour-là les gestes que tu as effectués le enfin que vous avez effectué pardon la manière dont Yann a récupéré parce que dans ton livre il y a une photo d'Yann alors voilà cette photo dans un livre qui n'est pas une photo pleine page mais de ce qu'on voit sur la photo on croise dans la rue enfin moi qui n'y connais rien tu doutes pas que ce gars a pris deux balles dans la tête donc est ce que ça est ce que ça te paraît encore plus exceptionnel maintenant que tu étais plus tachant ou pas forcément clairement ouais clairement Yann a eu beaucoup de chance avait une bonne étoile au-dessus de lui c'était le jour s'il avait pu finir la journée in Glasgow 15 we fallait jouer au loto mais je dis pas possible no Yann a eu beaucoup de chance il en est conscient he le sait on lui a dit les médecins heures de la chance but après il y a eu aussi his condition physique that he tells the coup ce que Yann he has quite invalid and handicap aujourd'hui he continue to have a sports je l'ai revu il y a quelques semaines hein il est athlétique donc voilà c'est sa condition aussi physique qui a fait qu'il a pu survivre à tout ça écoute tu me fais une transition perfect sur le sport le sport toi c'est que tu as commencé le judo jeune que tu as contribué toi forger le jeune homme que tu étais puis sans doute à t'inculquer des valeurs que tu as retrouvés dans l'armée bref it's clearly a part of important of your personality at what moment the judo the sport in general and at what moment is the MMA in particular has come to make an arrival for you?

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:01

The judo already the mercredi après-midi when I made my team judo. Bizarre judo I was made to get a regime it was one or two for a label or for the premier or international I could train X per seminar that it's not possible. So I met my fish in face. He clapped on the year he said I'm right he arrest. Okay. And I've been I do the art martial it's really a sport where the sport of martial we can't sport where we affect and it's the gag. The code martial aim the box also the box angles bizarre because I'm alright I did the judo but I had a lot of grappling and judicial brasilian but in kimono sans kimono but it's no it's really a domain in which I practice this this sport and I did the box so I glissed gently with the MMA. I began to entrain the MMA I had a group of among the part of this group of among people and COVID for me to entrain a club that was for the pros to entrain and Benoit made rejoin. And I rejoined a little marche with Benoit and it's what forgot our amity Benoit at the point he combat he commenced Bahrain and entraîne I was content at the entraînement of club we're a moment he has sure the entraîneur who is part of my club that I have at this moment and I was in club he was Nicolaut Nicolaut au Mamoud but we are both among the nouvelles souvent when he prepared we managed ensemble we have a group of among Benoit he said that if he has lost and I say that when I have you for interviewing these ancient military are publicly in fact but we're a little bit in the band. We connect to a little bit Benoît Saint Benoît Saint Denis but also an homage to Alex Francesca is mega known and the photos Alex is part of the circle d'amis that I cited and the monde un peu des unit specialished very pet learning as well. It's complicated to mentir ensuite ensuite plus you can see we say what's we have communicated we have a copy it's a grand button you know it's you know you can say I'm stage with a telescope ah si si I have tell company it's a grand family.

SPEAKER_00: 1:14:48

We have to alcoolique un peu relou mais tu vois tout le monde tout le monde se connaît plus ou moins on va dire énorme puisqu'on parle d'amis et de famille alors je n'ai pas orienté mes questions sur des sujets sérieux ou tu vois des expériences négatives mais dans ton livre il se trouve que tu en évoques quand même enfin j'ai quand même l'impression que tu es passé par pas mal d'épreuves in the view qui t'ont forgé, tu évoque tes syndromes de stress post-traumatique et j'enchaîne là-dessus parce que tu viens d'évoquer notamment Benoît et Alex et dans le livre tu expliques que c'est sans doute eux and ta famille who have contributed to sauver. Est-ce que tu peux nous expliquer un petit peu ateling symptoms have apparent and uh tires par le haut?

SPEAKER_03: 1:15:50

C'était quoi les impacts at what has manifested en gros the symptoms have commenced on va dire on fin d'année 2020 it's been until uh chiant on there but it's plenty paso it's plot a pet a petival design cauchemar but very brilliant uh and later to consult a psychologue in my coin uh sort of specifically at the moment to say I've got to have a problem to say that's a professional santos in my mother so you've got problems with that I've been seen it I was a bit and I had a plus and cause of that also I think to return to the police so I decided to and for time I was a very bonus special enseignment elitist in the police it was recul for the development of my career. And I revenue once of inap parachutist because I made blessed inaptitude definitive etc. Exactly but you said I was GSO at this episode I was the test I have the formation and a year on my nip that passes more you bless one you come on a specialist of military and you say no it's definitive and so you are in a régiment conventional conventional but disponibility police and you rejoice en police I gotta my parce if the prime para and I was part of the unit c'est pas l'unité specialisation overture of serrure at 200 ports par an it's not cell less the gesso unit gross cohesion I've got my copains to pass it but it's an unit tremplin for the group ou la Berry PP ou une Berry national and you réussit the test for the pointed foot and you do you have a recruiter who is football during the semester on PSG on equipe one. And a little bit blessed and you remain national. So it's a couple I've come it's not for digger what it's like to remetting to participate in another unit special that's very operational also. And that's not fair. And what dégénéral to this explosive with Alex Alex has connaissance an amigo a very bad amount of the measure I think a person who is an escroc notoire He reused to manipulate for the recent when he was returned in France. Hear, he was a person on rendezvous, the person who was recherched. He was recherched by the police. And the final it was not fed, but it was interpelled by another unity. He had a passage of fish, he had been recherched for desescroqueries, for violence, for it was a person really frequently. He said Tony Peyon, he had been judged the year, he had many days of prison for fewer viols, it was the Diablocore. And it was my unit, but I didn't have my unity, because I commenced a reconversion professional for P ducurpodologue in parallel. It was that I tasted and I did person. Ouais ouais. J'ai essayé au début de que le service de la police me mette commence à me suivre. Ils ne sont pas si opérations que ça. Je me suis débrouillé tout seul, grâce aussi, enfin si grâce à un médecin qui est dans la police, qui gère la médecine de prévention, qui m'a quand même beaucoup aidé. Et puis après, je suis allé dans un centre spécialisé, pris en charge, etc. Mais bon, pas grâce à l'administration.

SPEAKER_00: 1:26:23

Alors déjà, un, je suppose qu'on te l'a déjà dit plein de fois, mais je trouve que c'est hyper impressionnant que tu aies cette capacité à en parler de manière aussi ouverte aujourd'hui. Moi, je reçois quand même beaucoup de notamment de sportifs et sportifs de haut niveau qui parfois m'expliquent de prendre un préparateur mental, alors peut-être moins, on va dire, sur la dernière année et demie du podcast, mais quand j'ai lancé en 2020, parfois on leur demandait s'ils allaient bien, quand ils expliquaient qu'ils avaient pris un préparateur mental. Et je pense que ça reflète assez bien l'état de la... Et encore une fois, même si je pense que ça change, ça reflète assez bien, tu vois, la vision de la société française sur tout ce qui touche au psychologique où ça fait un peu peur, on ne comprend pas. Donc ce n'est pas forcément un sujet sur lequel on est méga open.

SPEAKER_03: 1:27:19

Certains de mes potes, they have choses opérationnelles parlant, ils n'en parlent pas. For eux, ceux qui parlent, they're des faibles, c'est des mythos, c'est des... Parce que beaucoup serve for touching a rentrant of tell or tell institutions and radio, but I connect certain person who are passing for traumatizing because they've entered a coup de feu in mission at their vehicle blinded, blinded. And the problem is that it's pretty during the vrai du faux.

SPEAKER_00: 1:28:41

Ouais. Parce qu'on touche à l'invisible, en fait, donc c'est sûr que...

SPEAKER_03: 1:28:44

Exactement, tu touches à l'invisible. Moi, je vois des copains qui sont spectrum, plus plus. Jamais ils te diront que ça va pas. Jamais. Well, that was very bien. He's been too blanket and too. And he jamais he ira consulted to say that it was. En tout cas, j'ai pas de problème. When it's been amenable, you did copin, voilà, he taquine, ça charrie un peu sur moi. Ça fait plus ou moins rien, but j'ai pas de problème avec that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:30:00

La manière dont tu l'as géré, puisque là, bon, t'es passé dessus rapidement, mais dans le livre, it's quite as clear that t'avais des pensées noir.

SPEAKER_03: 1:30:10

Ah bah clairement. Clairement, il y a deux, three, enfin, two. Where you m'étais quasiment convaincu, okay, ce soir, c'est ton dernier soir. Comment tu vas faire? Tu privileges quoi? La noyade, the train. When you come to have these pens, to determine the year and the year, it's that's really it's not a pet, we don't have two, I think it depends on the pension noir, too, tu as we're all. But when you come to fomentate a plan for the point of no returns, exactly. And it's that's that I think that I also had pear. Because you accroach on saying if you say that, I'm christian. It's interdit in our religion to make that. Wait, papa. And in fact, we exactly accroched a monster, but it's he lives sans pair, it's like I was accroched at that, I was accroached at the four.

SPEAKER_00: 1:32:54

Well, exactly. The sortie of that situation uh désolé pour l'analogie un peu pourrie, mais it's come to arrêter de fumer, c'est un interrupteur, c'est on off, t'as un déblocage psychologique et tu t'en sors, ou c'est un processus qui prend du temps.

SPEAKER_03: 1:33:56

J'en suis pas sorti, enfin t'en sors la dépression, tu t'en sors, mais il y a des symptômes, voilà, t'en sors, je ne sais pas si j'en sortirai un jour.

SPEAKER_01: 1:34:11

Mais tu glis avec.

SPEAKER_00: 1:34:12

Ouais. Et t'as des points de vigilance, du coup, que tu surveilles pour anticiper potentiellement, pour te rendre compte que potentiellement tu es en train de glitter à nouveau dans une phase pas terrible. C'est quoi, c'est des humors, c'est des fluctuations d'émotion, enfin tu fais gaffe à ça ouais, je suis quand même très attentif à tout ça.

SPEAKER_03: 1:34:35

Moi, c'est les humeurs. Les cauchemars, l'hypervigilance. Ouais, c'est three choses. Après, c'est médié beaucoup par la fatigue. Pour moi, aujourd'hui, c'est fatigue, fatigue, fatigue plus plus, on va dire.

SPEAKER_00: 1:34:59

Ouais, ce qui ne doit pas aider. Ça me fait beaucoup rire l'intro de ton interview sur la tueur. Je ne sais pas dans quelle phase t'étais dans tes études en médecine, mais apparemment, c'était une phase où tu avais eu beaucoup, beaucoup, beaucoup d'examens, etc. Tu dis que tu avais eu des nuits très très très courtes.

SPEAKER_02: 1:35:16

Ah ouais, c'était l'année dernière, en fait.

SPEAKER_00: 1:35:22

Ouais, exactement. Tu dis que t'as pas faux, t'es pas passé loin d'explosion en vol nerveusement. C'était rigolo parce que je suis en train de lire, tu vois, sur la fatigue, alors I'm gonna do a mini parenthèse, but I'm enjoying a living, je ne sais pas si it has been traduit, but it's why we sleep, which is apparently a bit of a réference international with a chercheur of Harvard, I think, who studied in the years 70-80, but it's just a little bit reference. The reasons scientific for the quantum dore. But he runs scientifically in the details and not the impact that it has on the survey, etc. And the accumulation of deficit of sommeil, comment that influence our santé at long term, the type of maladies that we can develop, etc.

SPEAKER_03: 1:36:16

Moi aussi I've been luck less, I've regarded a lot of quand you dors, you rent down a process of réparation cellular, you rent down a process aussi de la réparation, un peu le nettoyage by different mécanismes du corps, mais surtout aussi de toute neurone. You can also have a bit like the gentleman who are obeyes on the expression of the leptin, an expectation of resistance to this enzyme, I've got normal, I think it's an enzyme leptin. It's not to make it at court, mountain, and long term. Okay. Je préfère bien dormir aujourd'hui.

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:39

En tout cas, encore une fois, franchement, méga inspirant que tu en parles de cette manière et surtout de voir comment tu as géré tout ça. Et bah merci et bravo en fait, parce que plus il y a de partages comme ça, je pense, plus ça ouvre un peu les yeux sur tes situations et finalement, ça redonne, enfin ça donne quand même de l'espoir, tu vois. Ça montre que voilà, on peut s'en sortir, même même même sans être accompagné dès le début. Et que bon, comme tu le dis, même si selon ce qu'on a, ce n'est pas forcément curable. On peut garder des symptômes, mais on peut tout à fait le gérer comme tu es en train de le faire. Donc franchement, bravo à toi.

SPEAKER_03: 1:39:23

Merci beaucoup.

SPEAKER_02: 1:39:24

Merci de m'avoir reçu.

SPEAKER_00: 1:39:27

Avec grand plaisir. Avec grand plaisir. Merci Namon Moyev. Dernière question pour toi en guise de conclusion. Est-ce que tu as un message? Il y a plein de messages qui sont passés dans ton livre, encore dans ton livre, encore une fois, de Stuar et de Stan. Il y a les liens en description de l'épisode, je recommande chaudement. Mais est-ce qu'il y a un est-ce qu'il y a quelque chose que tu voudrais partager pour conclure cet échange qui tient à cœur?

SPEAKER_03: 1:39:54

Ouais, bah j'ai envie de dire, je le dis dans le livre, mais dans le redire par une expression, parce que ce livre, j'ai décidé, j'ai accepté de le faire parce que je me disais que j'avais laissé quand même trace to my family, a my friends, parents, my friends, my sister, my amig. Benoît, like Alex, who is entrepreneur and his life, like Benoit in the sport. And we have a regret to tent the shows. Don't voil up si uh interesse de su ma vie, j'ai an Insta Pro that's Moyave. And you partage a little what I see my different caskets of a student, a year I travel at Chiron, a year I'm péta or maudi.

SPEAKER_02: 1:42:46

My story part before a bit in all the things because you want a couple at the fact two days after two days you want to tatani. But the people on my Instagram.

SPEAKER_03: 1:43:01

But what I'm gonna say about the project and when they have a change on the tight, it's it's not a good thing. The liver is fine for that, for say a gentleman. It's just simply that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:44:10

C'est clair, bah écoute, encore un immense merci Moya. Moi c'est clairement le message que j'avais retenu à la lecture de ton livre, et puis même là en échangeant, ça fait que le confirmer et t'en es l'incarnation, la preuve, un parcours de vie hyper divers et en même temps un parcours de vie d'excellence. Donc vraiment merci énormément pour ton temps dans cet agenda très chargé. Et puis écoute, à peut-être à une prochaine pour un épisode sur ta prochaine tranche de vie, quelle que soit.

SPEAKER_02: 1:44:41

Je sais pas, je ne sais pas. Je vais péter les fonds, je vais voir les voir les chèvres.

SPEAKER_00: 1:44:49

Écoute, pourquoi pas, c'était le prochain alignement. Donc des images, des matchs à l'endroit, peut-être, c'est un bon métier aussi. Merci énormément en tout cas, Moya, c'était un very pleasure, excellent journey toi et prochaine.

SPEAKER_03: 1:45:07

Merci beaucoup.