SPEAKER_04: 1:07

Hello hello, we're going to frapped the podcast of the boss. Attention, Roma Esther, bienvenue on the podcast. I think it's the first episode that I've been in presential. So what that will do audio. But I'm very content to have a new micro podcast, the frapper, to talk a little bit of trail, ultra, a format a bit different this time, because we've got an experience. It was not the first time that we had a course attached, right? So very show for us to see. The link are in the description of the episode, so if you want, and now that's it, the first question is the course? What's happening during the DIAG? Is there a great changement, great project that we have to partake?

SPEAKER_03: 3:30

I think we have a lot of kilometers at the end these two days. I quit my life of restaurateur for coach sportified. Esther is professionalism in the creation of contention, visual, graphism, photos, videos. And we went to the course attack in Maroc in one seminar.

SPEAKER_04: 4:07

Coach sportive, you can see what? Try to be.

SPEAKER_03: 5:49

And this course at the end. And then we are two in pause invernal of two semas. Franchement I think it's good to see that. But it's finished this day. We're at Shenzhen for a marquee and it's kind of super too much of this environment that we know. I think it's atypic. I think he lives a little bit in the future also, so we'll decouri all that.

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SPEAKER_04: 6:47

After this GR20 on off in the great light, and we didn't try, but I think it's Romain who had the project initially or in mode trail, and Esther had already fair also.

SPEAKER_03: 7:02

We're going to go. In general, it's my organization. It's my dad that the format GR20 on mode trail was six years, and we were saying that it was a format super ambitious. In the memoir. Esther the quatrime year. But now franchise, it's not happening, and it's really an experience of life incredible.

SPEAKER_04: 7:34

It would be an episode. It's not a show, but we find an episode. Because it's interesting. It was in 2019, in six years. They were in mode rando, because the trail existed. It was really rando rapid. And we were a little disaveny. And I told you that when we were exchanged, it was the verse. The people who fought really for 15 years, it's a little bit that surprised.

SPEAKER_03: 8:12

We went to other groups who lived in six, we saw others who were in eight, don't know, and after a day, and they want to profit also. No, no, we have. It's really important to planify the things for correctly, to respect the time of recuperation also, to evitate the blessings.

SPEAKER_04: 9:47

And the CCC, for appeal, you said if I tromp it, it's 101 kilometers, is that? 23 hours, okay. Well, but it's solid.

SPEAKER_02: 10:14

It's really the way in which I finished my course, I think. To constatate that the 30 derivatives, I said I could continue. And in kilometer 90, I captain that it's like I was at kilometer 20. And it was 22 hours that it is, and I thought that I rejoiced nothing to terminate the early kilometers because I was a big. No, no, no, it was Romain for that because he had to find the volume intelligent, and she habituated my work.

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That's 2023.

SPEAKER_04: 11:23

It was after the diagnosis. I remember you said that you had a passive with blessing. The distance was complicated. It was oof to see that two years after you finish the CCC.

SPEAKER_02: 11:37

I thought she was reparted at zero, I made my counter zero, I recommenced progressively, I've had enough, I alimented correctly, I've seen a progressivity, and it was also the intensity absurd. Franklin has really changed my entrainment I had intensity and I had a lot of volume with bit of intensity, per moment, but I think that it's what I also mean. Because I think in entraining I shocked enormously my articulations, my heart. And as I adored the technique, I think that it was and I had really the muscles adequate, alright. And boot to boot two days later.

SPEAKER_03: 12:39

But progressivity, alimentation, somewhere, and we repeat the time, but it'll simply make place. And planification, in fact.

SPEAKER_04: 12:51

And period of record. And the big coach. But you have a navigation.

SPEAKER_01: 12:58

I don't have any. It's not right. But the coach!

SPEAKER_03: 13:06

When you're a five year old, you've got a nav, you have 14 million plus, I've épargna that.

SPEAKER_02: 13:13

No, no, I'm gonna accompany psychologically when he has 15 or 20.

SPEAKER_03: 13:23

Terrible.

SPEAKER_04: 13:33

But in the way, it's kind of an exercise, it's genius because psychologically it's interesting. It was not so monstrous as what you did, but I've seen I don't know if you've got plus of 12 or 14. But when you arrive at the six months and you say I've not been five, psychological it's interesting. And then for the cardio, I think it's hyper pure.

SPEAKER_03: 14:12

So you can typically make the puissance on the eye, the eccentric on descent, it's what you reproduce in course also. So it's important. And after passing two, three, four, six, six, six hours in the same boss, psychological, mentally, it's not resilient.

SPEAKER_04: 14:32

It's clear. I read one of the series that I was at the Saint Victor, it was the cart of the day, so I was a porc. And with the transport in the eyes, I had the eyes a little bit fragile, so the eyes peak, etc. And the night comes to tomb, she was at the 12th or a thing. And too much at the Saint Victor, it's really an effort lamentable. And then there's a fan who was also who arrived and at an end where there was no person. And I think it attended like person on this section. And then I arrived from a bœuf and the eyes, and I've been in the regard that I was like, what's it? But excellent. Excellent, excellent. The GR20, if you have both memoirs, the tour of Beaufortin' off, it was not really previously.

SPEAKER_03: 15:31

We have two semi. It's quite physically.

SPEAKER_02: 15:48

Physically, yeah, but I think mentally I tried to realize what happens at GR20, is that you can find 24, 25, 26, in fact. So you have two bornes in one hour, then in fact. And you know it has a rapport on kilometers that is completely different. And Romain announced that for the Beaufortin, he had provided a journey a bit quick. It was not very long as Gervain. It was a journey, it was cool. And I was told in crazy that I think we were quite like 7 hours, 18, 19 hours. And in fact, I was, Ivan, and I went to one day to get more than 40 borns. Wait, it's that, no? I'm trying to. And I said, I guess I don't know the CCC. Because in fact, why do you have three years for 120 bornes? And so on the CCC. And you know, I think that it was completely demoralized to me what I mean. And in fact, the Beaufortin, I've got to one, two, three, and in fact, it's not. And at the moment, I've asked for the CCC. Because in fact she had totally mentally like Romain me told me session Dis-toi that to what you're enjoying to vivid, those days by the which you're enjoying, it's mental or physical, but you can return to the CCC and you know that you can survive. And it's exactly that.

SPEAKER_03: 18:14

Entry difficulty, facile.

SPEAKER_02: 18:16

And at the CCC she was mad at the 40th, and in the final No and the final you were super after the 40th. But no, it was just in the euphoria, I think, of Ghervin that we are reparted on the Beaufortin.

SPEAKER_04: 18:34

I'm sure because we were changing after the Gervin, after we were on the city.

SPEAKER_03: 18:46

It's the second year of Girvin. The lending two weeks.

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The lending at the Garvin on the taxi, I said, He said, I prefer the prochain itiness.

SPEAKER_03: 19:07

And the TDS you have Romain? Frankly, I've adored. Yeah, but yeah, but I think already if you perform it to preoccupied and class. And if you form physically, it's like that you perform. And you have all this stress of you doubling, you're not at my time to pass. The objective was really to kiff that ultra and to get a course abouti. And I adored from the day after the time. I've had a period very difficult. The environment of the TDS is grandiose, it's a montagne, it's fabulous. I got my course.

SPEAKER_04: 20:09

TDS for appearance of Duke of Savoy is 145 kilometers and 900.

SPEAKER_03: 20:17

It's a little bit more long. We have 153, I think. And 900 and course technique, you know, or what? Alright, it's more technical than the UTMB, for example, which I've been doing, but the technicality not for great positive and negative. It's not technical like IDAG or like certain sentimentaires. But we put great pants positive and negative. There are big parts at the end of the course, there are little portions where there are cailloux where they are a bit accidental, but it's not super technical. It's not facility, but it's not super technical.

SPEAKER_04: 21:07

It was the first course for you when you had the changing mindset, and no, but for ultra, okay.

SPEAKER_03: 21:31

It's completely the optic in which I work for all my courses already, in fact.

SPEAKER_02: 21:35

And you know what or no, but it's super interesting because he had the GR20 at my rhythm, he burns at my rhythm. So he burned at low intensity, like for the Beaufortin. And in fact, I think very well that he had said, but he lived at burn and he arrived at the boat of all that sort of fatigue, sort of, he had said it would be almost the first part of the course a little bit like I started with Esther. And to the same conditions for the moment.

SPEAKER_03: 22:11

The concept inversing, in fact. I really didn't say I had the GRM in six years old, I would have been with the same alarm with Esther. And I think that it was a battery, and I think that you would potentially be blessed. And then on these, I realized the capacity that my corner had to get a volume enormous sort of sensation of the room. And after I had a concept of my coach who made if you have top 100 on the TDS on the first kilometer 50, it's 300. Okay. It's kind of hallucinant from concept. Imagine to accept 300 at a course, the first course if you arrive at the one. So I've been in 150 or 180, I don't know exactly what.

SPEAKER_04: 23:33

That's interesting like instruction.

SPEAKER_03: 23:36

And you see, and accept to doubly by 300, 400 mechanics the first year, it's not evident, but in fact you want that after the course, but you have the explosive, and you can see the mind. And the eight early kilometers that work, you represent 15 mechanics, imagine?

SPEAKER_04: 24:03

In plain night at 4 hours of the hour so that the art of the bonus gestion on ultra history with the courses attack, how we have to cover that? Because it's kind of very different from effort, concept of a TDS, CCC, of the DIAG, you know what you think, but I don't have to say two sports, two approaches that have really.

SPEAKER_02: 24:47

The first time we had an idea, what we can see.

SPEAKER_03: 24:55

It was in February in Morocco in the desert. For what course? The Trans Sahara Marathon. Okay. He has got seven, he finally 10 years second after his friend. And he organized two courses, the Transahara Marathon and the Transatlas Marathon. And we were invited in February for creating the course. And when we proposed, we had hesitated at all or photos, videos, it had not been super lovely. And we are arrived at the back side of attempts, and we had a clack of incredible in terms of pays, in terms of efforts, succession of efforts year after years, the fact that evolution with a group on plain nature, there are plenty of things that run in these courses, which you remove an ultra one day, of a few years, but that's really exceptional for these.

SPEAKER_02: 27:37

After a chemist, a little the soil is a little bit volcanic. And then for it could be a kilometers and kilometers where it's plenty, so that demands an effort mental incredible, for the chaleur.

SPEAKER_03: 27:59

In February, it was a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of 20 with 25, you know.

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And in February it was very sharp the morning and super fresh night.

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And then in November it was snow the morning, and the night it was blue.

SPEAKER_04: 28:31

It was 180 borne in six episodes, Algeria. So it's the coin, it's a nice region where it is.

SPEAKER_03: 29:26

In February it was a dough per person. But frankly, it's the way you want to go to the event where you go to 20 barns, 40 barns, and you can double with a douche, you know.

SPEAKER_04: 29:43

You put a louche, you move, you can, you put the two louches that rest and I'm surprised that you have to do a douche two days on the top, two days or something like that.

SPEAKER_02: 30:00

But in fact, when you're in the uncomfort in the fruit and the uncomfort in the show, that also. This we have a very douche.

SPEAKER_03: 30:19

About poils at box, there was a little bit of confort in November and February.

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And the first is Transara Marathon.

SPEAKER_03: 30:32

And this is the Grand Trail of the Valley Draft. I think it was the eighth organization, they were commenced, they were 15-20 at the first edition, 30-40, 50-40. And this was the record, there was 200 people. The matter and the week for 200 people. It's kind of a sacred organization. And frankly, it was super.

SPEAKER_02: 31:13

It was incredible. It's really incredible the organization.

SPEAKER_04: 31:16

And the concept is all in solo or it's possible to go to two, or why you decided to go.

SPEAKER_03: 31:24

You can find minimum three people. So the class is individual, and so tu as a class parap if you declared a class by equipping, if you declared by equipping. And we had sufficient courses this day for that. And the class is the chronos individual on each episode. Okay. And a chamo on the ball. Exactly. He has two with his chamber.

SPEAKER_02: 32:32

It's magnificent.

SPEAKER_03: 32:35

About a democratic for the journey and the data.

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And CP. You have in general CP for the 5 or 10 kilometers per month. And this one a bit of ravita, and Transara Marathon we have absolutely ravitailement.

SPEAKER_03: 33:07

We have 4-4 and 5 litres of a great bonbone to ravita, and so.

SPEAKER_04: 33:14

And then we have curiosity.

SPEAKER_03: 33:17

And they have done it. That's after we went all the time, but there was the great. If you are at 6 hours and 7 hours of mat, you're a middle, but you froze the mid-15 hours.

SPEAKER_02: 33:44

I think you've got the first journey and the two.

SPEAKER_03: 33:47

No, no, there's show. Yeah it was reparted prime. Two days 20 kilometers. It's 60. And so you finish 15 rapid course.

SPEAKER_04: 34:15

It's the strategy, in the point of view effort, pace, etc. I'm Esther, at some rhythm.

SPEAKER_03: 34:40

We keep the experience, we have the moment, the desert. We have to do it also.

SPEAKER_04: 34:54

And Esther, you're used to keeping the course after the concept?

SPEAKER_02: 35:00

It's a very good question.

SPEAKER_04: 35:01

It's evident when you're in your work to say, I capture that. It's a tough.

SPEAKER_02: 35:50

I see it on too much. And then what's difficult in the way, is when you create your contention and you function like me. After I don't know how function the other, and so I'm with me. After I think that she's quite a performance in my priority, I'm not even in the remarque of performance, of time, of class. Franchement, tranquille this matter, he means, he said, we're marching, because it's tranquil for me. And he comprends, dun couple of Ball and I arrive at Ball, so in fact he adapted. But in the creation of contention, it's like that pose pasta problem to film all, postant stories in direct. There are contention for the marks, so evidently it's reflective. And then I have the contention for us, this is spontaneous. If you don't know the time, it's not the same. It's that's cool, I think, is to partake in direct. So that's good and she's in the mall, and it sort of in my course, and it permitted to provide a sense different to that. And a few we coop completely.

SPEAKER_04: 38:51

We had plenty of things different, the ascension of the Saint Victoria, etc. And I don't know if you were at your count or the creation of it. But I was very attacking. I think that was you had a trying to put a photo, get a story, and it was non-stop just at tard the week, I was enjoying editing. And I tried it as well. I think that I'm capable of doing that, you know. If you're in my course, it shouldn't be to sort of my telephone to envoy a message, you know. So I say to imagine how I can capture an instant, etc. That's complicated. For me in the case.

SPEAKER_02: 39:28

I'm sorry, in fact, we are two completely different.

SPEAKER_04: 40:24

Franchement, it's very sympathy, contenu mega quali. And it's enough when you see the réels épingless on Cassie, Marseille and Navett with Romain. Okay, so we decided to get the course ensemble. 28, 28, 30, 75, is that? Wow. Come on, it is what we explained is a pet, dinner, the middle is we're a bit like a bigger one.

SPEAKER_03: 41:00

It's creation of competition, but for the others, it's repos.

SPEAKER_04: 41:06

So the camp is organized? It's like what we've got at Marathon destables, marabouts.

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It's a little the same style, it's a little bit more comfortable. We have the contraint from the Marathon destable to go with all the affairs. We have the contract to go with, it's not an autonomy. We have a great value that the organization appears to be walking to bivalk, and you have access to the efforts at the morning, an hour after the day, and you recuperate all the efforts at the river. So that's kind of cool because it offer it's quite more comfortable than the course attack on February with this model that we render of the exigence extreme that represents the marathon of the sable. There's a sack that pay into six and two kilos maximum, there's 100% of those efforts for 100% of your affairs of no matter for changing seven years, if you don't have batteries. You have 250 kilometers, you do, or a pet.

SPEAKER_02: 42:10

The tents are in the back of the room.

SPEAKER_03: 42:12

The tent, so almost the effort physical that it demands, I think all these contracts at all. No, but you partage that with two other people. And in this type of course, you have all the group that makes year, which you know. So there are the two who are very in couple of years, and there are the marchers that arrive at the end of the day. And you see an episode, you know rapidly where it is, you put a question to people, child has their anecdotes. There's really an expert group that is very funny and which constructs at the moment and the days and events, and of the fatigue. Humanly. Paella, risotto, pool, carbo, poulet curry, right. It's a classic.

SPEAKER_04: 44:56

You have reviewed to referee the course attack, to go too long on this type of episode?

SPEAKER_03: 45:03

They've got very February on the Transara Marathon that was associated with Mohammed is associated with Red Light, it's the Red Light Desert Trophy this day. And we returned. And we will organizate a course attack with Mohammed in Atlas Marocan of May. We are on Maros the semaine for discuter with us. But we're at the other side this week.

SPEAKER_04: 46:01

Wow. Organization of course. It's enormous.

SPEAKER_03: 46:05

You have the name? It's not fair the year, I think he was eight years consecutive, so it's the Transatlas Marathon. Transatlas Marathon. We got that. But the principle is the same, it's 160 kilometers in eight years. We are in Atlas, we are in the mountains, so it's really trail, which is for the case. In the desert, the course at the end, it's a trail, but there's no denial. There are 8000 meters of denial positive for the 160 bonds. And there are different formats. There are a format rando, a format half where it was 80 km for 40, a format 160 for 40, and there's a 100 borne non-stop. It's also Atlas completely fine.

SPEAKER_04: 47:04

Because you've got a rando or trail in Maroc. I've had 4 trophy in Maroc. It's not so much the same thing. It's plenty arid, I think, Atlas? So a 160 passes for the Ravito, etc.

SPEAKER_03: 47:23

It's right. In fact, the Ravito, it's not the Ravito, the Ravito, it's a 4 with a little bit. About 4 bananas and 4 mandarins, 3 dates. It's a Ravito, but they're very content to turn on a great plain when you're in the Ravito.

SPEAKER_02: 47:42

The principles is in general it says that you're not too ravitating. It's really light, it's a ravitament on earth. And if you leave a data, they're super content.

SPEAKER_03: 47:57

I mean there's a lot to do. But the concept is a walk in which you are, which is the morning at the end of the course, and is the same day on the day of the course. And there's all an organization of Marocans along that douche, toilets, the tent communication, get all the cuisine. It's incredible to work. You can change. It's very fine.

SPEAKER_02: 48:36

And on the Valley du Drain there is also super nice.

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And check the 200 people, and chaque day 200 people who change. We have a very good. The legumes with the good, it's perfectly. The water, the fruits, it was very tough. And it's completely equilibrium for absolutely all for the effort that you had the day.

SPEAKER_04: 49:22

The diets are coming.

SPEAKER_02: 49:44

No, no, alright for the couple. No, no, sur course I'm alimente.

SPEAKER_03: 49:51

That's right, it's a lot of effort. C'était la reine des hippos.

SPEAKER_04: 50:03

T'as fait comme moi, tu as finis par compris that if you alimentate, you're not. I've been a 9 year old hour and I'm fatigued. Mega interesting if we pass the other way to the ride and we organise a course. He said, I've had a course attack. What we would say that the people experiment who connect a type of course, and what it was a bit different or apportered a little bit unique.

SPEAKER_02: 50:45

And for the people inversely who's a little bit of a little bit of a thing that I sidere at that time, is that you engage on an effort that will be year after year, it's not like when you listen to one course. And in fact, when you listen in the first episode, it's just difficult. And when you project mentally, it's completely impossible. So in fact, you're in time to do something and you think that the fight is impossible. And in fact, in having the instant, in the attack, one by one, you know, arrived at the booth. And the lending you are 5 hours of the day, it is no longer, you do preparing your efforts, you do dress for being pretty and reparti. And then you say it's not possible, I don't know 60 bornes, so I have 100 in the pattes. And you have no shape, you never have a camp, you can go in a 4x4, you will not rent. No, in fact, you see the mood and you go and you go to the line of arrival, and then on the line of the room, you demand what you want, and you're and it turns, you go, and the time you find the line of the room and you have the 60 bornes. And in fact, this year it's the final and passed and 180 bornes. And I think that it's the case for a lot of people. And I think that remains confiance in one. I think it makes enough in place for a lot of people, in the case for me. At what point the projection mentality is negative, and in fact, if you feel the shorts in the instant, you think, you know, and you arrive at all. And that's really what you're what you could just accomplish in a course attack, send of all the partage and human.

SPEAKER_03: 53:00

And I think that the way to have a success of events year after year, it makes the pressure on a lot of people, also who have been, in fact, because you comment by 28, 28 kilometers, it's very enormous, we're at 20, 20, there are preparing six months to get a 60. That is just the quick episode of a course where you have several the four years precedent, so it's enormous. But you're completely prison, and you move in a group in nature to make these efforts physics, and you come from cooperation of your quotient, of your life of all the years, it's really incredible because you know what it is, you know what year it is, they're really in nature in this group, to focus on the course the matter, the recuperation, the bad ambiance, the change with the people.

SPEAKER_02: 54:22

We have a priority, we have a judgment, there are plenty of critics. And in fact, it's like too, and you discutt with them and pass a moment with people with which you're not with town to partake these moments. When we arrive in the tent and you do your place to change, you're low at the place, but you return with eight people, there are people who have 20 years, who have 75 people, there are people who are in the world, and you partage a moment completely inattendu. And the same thing, it's the simplicity. You have mal, you have an ampoul, you have a double muscular, etc. And in fact, at the moment you have two shots to return. And even when you get one attack, when you get one course, you turn to you, you turn to you, you have your comfort, and then you eat your double, you can eat your equity, you can eat the doors on the articulation. And in fact, in a course at a time, you have the short. Come on, you can sit at the tent or the quad-catter. So you return. And in fact, when you return, you can say that the moment you come, but it's a bad. And after you believe, and then these amounts that are terrible and there's no, in fact, it works. And at the moment where you detach your attention to the double, but in fact that it works, the born advance, and you can go to you, and the time there is doing it, etc. And the report to the double is super interesting also in this context.

SPEAKER_03: 56:22

That's the format, it's like the format that you pass six years at suffering. Evidently muscularly charge, but there's a double.

SPEAKER_04: 56:48

No, I think the fact of the way to the fact that we have a great time, a great time of record into each other. Is there a reverse of the media where just you let the time to redescend, to refresh, the doors, install, muscular or other. And the way to report, is it's not difficult to enchant 140 bornes on the TDS, where they're all in your rhythm, entre guillemets?

SPEAKER_03: 57:25

In fact, the matter, when you live at 5 hours of match, it's the quatrime year, there's some borne in the jambes, you are for 60, it's complicated already, you know. And if you turn on the chance you have to pass one journey in the desert, you just change the angle and you say a chance to do. And in fact, you are decent, and your heart shiffs at the end, and you keep it.

SPEAKER_02: 58:03

And just on this comfort, entre guillemets, it is relative. And you know, the more the more moment just on your chaise, but you appreciate it.

SPEAKER_04: 58:44

For passing a little bit concrete, you can have an idea of the tariffs? When we are on the 160, the format, I imagine the course.

SPEAKER_03: 58:53

It's always eight years, a department the same. If you don't have batteries, it's the 22 May and 21 May. Plus assistance, etc. What you see, BS, what you pay, I think it's very rentable. In the experience that we have on the episode, it's very fine.

SPEAKER_04: 59:49

If there are people who are the podcast will be informed of the suit, potentially remarkable inscriptions, etc.

SPEAKER_03: 59:57

We will see that the month of December. The first of the things is we're communicating on our Insta ultra distance. And we have an Instagram and a Facebook Transatlas Marathon. So we'll repeat the and we will communicate very well and to lancere the inscriptions ideally after the fin of the day. Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:24

After we are completely disponible on the comp insta, so for all questions or what it's like. Evidently, excellent.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:41

It's a pleasure to have your news.