SPEAKER_01: 1:08

Être force spéciale, quoi qu'il arrive à vendredi, votre force soit leader. Même de soi-même, on reçoit le fan sur le droit et conseil intérieur de ce piège de terroriste armée et qui faut entrer. À ce moment-là, c'est toi qui as peut-être le colonne. Et c'est toi qui deviens le leader du groupe. Même si ça fait trois ans que tu es dans le groupe.

SPEAKER_00: 1:37

Hello, hello, c'est Loïc Blanchard, le créateur et host du podcast indépendant Les Frappés. Je suis un ancien sportif de haut niveau, aujourd'hui reconverti en sportif, aventureux, mais aussi entrepreneur, coach et préparateur mental certifié. Passionné d'outdoor et de défiant tout genre, j'ai voulu créer une communauté autour des valeurs de résilience, de déplacement de soi et de détermination. Nous offrons chaque semaine des conversations expérientes avec des invités. Incroyable et univers très varié. J'ai reçu aussi bien des athlètes olympiques que des entrepreneurs à succès, des aventurières professionnelles, encore des anciens, des forces spéciales. Leurs points commun, la passion pour leur projet et l'audacité de se lancer. Excellente écoute à vous, les frappés. Eh bien écoute, bienvenue Matt sur le podcast.

SPEAKER_01: 2:32

Merci. Merci de me recevoir.

SPEAKER_00: 2:34

Je suis ravi de t'accueillir. Un grand merci d'ailleurs à Teddy for the suggestion of mise en relation. Teddy, merci, merci. I'll define the podcast non-official design Commando Marine, I've listened to it.

SPEAKER_01: 3:00

If I write ex-commando marine, but for the moment you are exactly in three months, I'm ex, but I'm in reconversion.

SPEAKER_00: 3:12

Super. And what's interesting also is that you talk of what you have decided to partake with the very number, because you saw a live that is displayed.

SPEAKER_01: 3:31

There's always problems of approvision. The photo COVID, but I don't know. But it has a month of retard, in fact, so it started the 19th November. And this weekend normally I revealed the lives because I've had a dedication samedi at Lorient.

SPEAKER_00: 3:55

Genial. Excellent. Super, j'ai hâte qu'on discute de tout ça.

SPEAKER_01: 4:18

Oui, bien sûr. Alors moi je suis arrivé en fils de militaire. J'ai extremely voyagé durant mystere. Ensuite, I've had an ultimatum by my parents. And in December 2002, I'm signed my contrat dans la marine pour espérer rentrer dans les commandos marines, les forces spéciales de la marine. Là, j'ai fait pendant six ans mes armes d'opérateur, d'équipier. Ensuite, je suis parti au chef d'équipe commando. Donc là, je suis devenu chef d'équipe. Je suis retourné encore une fois à Jobert, au commando Jobert. Ensuite, j'ai pu passer les tests de sélection to rentrée in a groupisé au sein des commandos marines. It's celui du contre-terrorism and libération d'otage, the CTLO. And I was arrived in 2010, which I integrated a commando TREPEL. And so I had the rennes of the group of CTLO Commando Pain Fanteo. And from 2019 just to get the clay of group to my adjoint who is cheap. And this passes well. And now I'm in plain reconversion.

SPEAKER_00: 6:17

Genial. Genial. Punish sacred. People say a little bit more about the CTLO. Because the commandos marine, I think it works a very great number, even if there are people, if they are in this universe, there are reportage, etc. So it's an universe that is a little bit more, I'm the question. But the CTLO in particular, how it's organized, for example, what you can do, evidently, and what are their missions?

SPEAKER_01: 6:48

Alright, the CTL is the group of terrorism and liberation d'otage. So chaque defines what we can do as mission. Ensuite, at the point, when I was arrived at commando, you have two. Ensuite on a décidé d'en créer deux de plus. Ensuite, comment ça s'organise? On est une dizaine de gars avec un minimum de six ans d'expérience. Et voilà, nous, il y a des sélections qui sont réalisées une fois par an. Donc c'est des sélections d'une semaine. Pendant une semaine, on va tester les gars qui rentrent chez nous au niveau, l'analyse of situation. It's also that we analyze how the guy reages face to different situations. It would be an accident of the route, and you know he does the security. There are different situations, and a whole time he travels after two minutes, he will work. And then we will not get and selection. So we have a month, there are two mechanics that are in the group CTL. And the three guys are dispatching from two or three. After the moment we are in mission.

SPEAKER_00: 9:06

And you said that there's six CTLO.

SPEAKER_01: 9:14

No, not for this, and we decided to have those also a trunk common. We all feel exactly the same things. After it's sure in function of the pet subtilities that are, but no, we decided to have all these.

SPEAKER_00: 9:54

Wow. And what does that mean so long in the marine? I'll pose the question because you're the quatre commando or so ex commando with which I changed. And for the moment, what I'm observed is around eight years. You know, it's like Teddy, Louis, Tony. You're very low, and if you're talking about the amount of work of an unity, an unity of elite in the unit of elite. That's that. And what does that the flam continues to bring for you for 10 years?

SPEAKER_01: 10:32

In fact, it's a mission of passion. The forces are when I had 19 years, in my big chamber. At the time I was in Martinique, I did, I was a good idea passionate by this world. And I was here, I was arrived. In fact, the job had no importance for me because I was passionate by this. And we arrived, we are very known. The marine few things for us. We work in equipped, so in a moment we are we are all. And that's after 20 years. And we have a rhythm of life that's good. All the weeks we have a minimum of two hours of sports, and we travel individually with our material, for the day to work in group, get their missions, etc. And when we are in France, we are as libre. I organise even the matter, the girls, this matter, you get what you want, we will surf it, we will get your foot. But for me, when we demand at rendezvous, the gas, yeah. The gars are at the front, they are at 100%. But it's a passion, and also in this way, it is an osmose.

SPEAKER_00: 12:32

Alright, you talk about family for continual general after the details. I suppose I've known and maybe we've got very in particular civil this universe, but it's kind of also a view with sacrifices, the way to your disability, the disability that is exactly the part of the people in the commandos. How do you think to conjugate family and an engagement total for the France?

SPEAKER_01: 13:21

And this person is the message that we have, and they see 100%. And we don't be so bad if we had the family that we see there. After it's the inverse. After the military we have a lot of deployments, it during three months. And he evolves very hard, and we have enough pressure. But after three months, it's a good thing to do in the family in question. Three months that pass very well. And we have fans who are so forth than we are for the terrain. And it's for me that we are a little bit more sere. But when it happens at the moment, it is a boulder. And when it happens at the moment, we don't need to hesitate to go and talk about the companies. Because they also have problems, and we think that we are not alone to have their problems. And you know, it's a little bit more difficult to give it.

SPEAKER_00: 15:17

That's a notion that I'm fascinating when I change with people who are passing by the force special, it's this notion of group and solidarity. People that I've had in entrepreneurs, it's not that I've not done it or I've proved the inverse. I went to termination, I've passed seven hours with Apple with an experience globally positive, with a big sense of equipping. But for the intensity, I've been saying that we lived in their group, it has just to work. And I pose the question is it's possible, and I'll pose if you think that it's possible to return this cohesion and fraternity, for example, a term that I think in the army, in the life civil?

SPEAKER_01: 16:10

We'll see what I'm doing at this point. But I think, and I think I think that it's an objective for me in the society where I live, to create that fraternity. In fact, I think it's the habit. We don't go to boulot, get my tap, and change two, three minutes with people. Ça peut être une sortie vélo, ça peut être à la piscine, on va voir qui c'est qui est le meilleur en apnée, etc. And create that engouement que nous faisons two jours sans se rendre compte. I think we try in the Italies. I think Apple, there are things that are created. I think there are salls of sports, in the boîte, there are enough. They are very funny of their creating osmose of the society. It's realize.

SPEAKER_00: 17:49

Excellent. Super. You had that you wanted to partake your experience and your apprentice of 20 years in the force special number of lives?

SPEAKER_01: 18:11

Alright, in 2018, I was in mission in pleasant milieu. And I did we had a great chance to have. It was a mission as calm. We said we have a lot of environments after passing to the action. And for a couple of weeks we have. Dès que I've had an idea, I met my ordinary or in sale of sport. I remember that in sales, I put my telephone and I enregist. And I've had this idea to create a book. I'm not that it will ask the people and the more jealous people to achieve their objective. We can be chef of entrepreneurship and return on the links that you can explain, in leadership, in gestion of stress, not. What is it?

SPEAKER_00: 20:38

And this structure, if I think there are three great notions that you abord.

SPEAKER_01: 20:45

Yeah, that's that. It's the confiance in one, the leadership, the gestion of the stress, and the courage. These are the three values that are for me very important for becoming force special. The two values are the central lives. And from all these values, the confiance in one, for example, at that time I explain the missions that have really passed. And distant at all points of detail, I'm sure, for guarding a secret, and to know and diffuser. And a chain explicit comment, for example, have a little bit of confiance in me, I'm arrived, by what actions you have a bit of confiance in me. And so I explain in an mission, and I think the actions I realized for those who have confiance in them or not as courage, or etc. It's uh, it's super.

SPEAKER_00: 21:55

I think it's a damage that is absolutely genius. I suppose, but I imagine that 20 years in the force special has been a rhythm particularly intense. What I've tried interesting is that they've had the time to remark in the retrovisor. And to learn of what you're doing after these days, and also together. And what I suppose is that you want a little teasing to your life objective for special, and we build these three notions, and for the details, because we're not here. The question that you convey this notion of leadership, of gestion of stress, of courage, etc. And what's the problem?

SPEAKER_01: 22:50

We'll come by the confiance in one. In fact, for being confident, in fact, it's a circle, it's not for mental, and we don't have confiance in so we can have this if we don't have confiance in so we can be face to a situation complicated, and it's impossible to have this if we have a minimum confiance in so. I remember not only for the selection CTLO in a situation complicated where I was too easy and you had in the living, where you have the guys who are there and regarding, and I'm easy to face that situation, and I was in a standard. I got a retirement of a grillage, put a enseignment at the end of a moron to get an exchange with two moments, and I'm exfiltring in a voice in the centre of the village, and then I goulet, and we posted a question. I was in the coffee in the position, and what happened, what you've done, what you said, and I think, and I was not here. And I was on the base, but I've had what you said, you do neutral the guy. So it was the same question that I had response, in fact. I was zapped completely and I said, Okay, I posted, I've had two minutes to realize my minute I said, Okay, Matthew, you have confiance in to you, you know, you can arrive, etc. In fact, there was a dialogue internal. The first thing is when we are face to a situation and we manage confiance in one, it's dialogue interior. We decided to create a pet of confiance. When it arrives, I create my bulle, and I should have the solution, I'll try to go down a moment, it's not a company that there was a detail, the t-shirt jawn, I think it's that. I had a mechanic jawn, and I turned on the cible, the cible on paper, because it was the test. And I used my mission. But then there are many things that can aid, it's a memory. You don't say I'm nice, I'm not. No, it's like the project you will arrive, when he is arrived, will pose the questions. In fact, this will permit in one. He does not visualize what will give it. That's nice what, it's Teddy Riner after us, we're found. The idea is to visualize and these gests will permit to get. And that's it, it's repeated, it's repeated a maximum of it. And the derivation, it's the acts.

SPEAKER_00: 27:37

It's married that they've put the example of judo, because it's empirically, I'm saying that it was exactly what I was for my champion of France, you know. I had at the moment there was no smartphone, so when I was my telephone, I personally have a message. And my message, I had what I have, I had 14, 15, 15 years, it was champion of France. And I had that for six months. So one day I had my telephone, I had a champion of France. And it was a lot of you said visualization, projection, and it's clear that for having an experience at the shown, it works. In the way it will not be in the most conditions for échéances important. Genius. Super. So we have the confiance in so the notion, the abordation.

SPEAKER_01: 28:27

Alright, we'll talk about leadership. It's a difficult acquérir. But we can learn and devenir. In fact, force special, quite a moment don't know, it will be leader. Leader, when we rejoice the pincement on the brand and say that at the end of this pipe, you have two terrorists armored and that you can rent. At this moment-là, it's toi who's the tête the colon, and it's toi who deviates the leader of group, malgré too. Mm six years that they're in the group, it's to deviate the leader. Come on, you arrive, comment, in fact, it's a travail of long, but it's a leader, he does communicate his passion. After the group, I'm renting in the marine, my chef of group, he has to communicate his passion, the passion of what we can do in our life. But it does also federate. It doesn't say nothing. A leader does be exemplary, simply. Franklin, he does we don't demand to people, it's not what we do, simply. A leader does have one or two or not two to the rest of his group. And then if we are sold, okay, we don't have a leader. We don't have a couple of course on the group. That doesn't matter. You can simply know and see. And a leader does be at the end of what happens along, geographically, when we are in a year and a couple, in fact, you have to see the things. It's not a chance. We don't have this effect tunnel, we will tell that. We're there, we block this. It's decisive.

SPEAKER_00: 31:27

I don't know if it's a term that you do, but I've been the impression to enter that when you explain.

SPEAKER_01: 31:32

It's an analysis of situation. It's like a person who rent in a restaurant, for example, with his father, and he does that there's a lot that happens. There are many people who are capable of it. So the mother of family. They say very well when there's a lot that's with their friends. It's a dialogue interne, encore a point, it's like already I have a leader. For example, if we have a conference, already I seriously leader, it's me who will mess that, etc. I parle not anything where very group was in detachment for two battles frankly from the pirate Somalian. And I parled in the book where I was leader because we have a quarter of people in my order. And after me there were the pirates. It should be the wheels, as you say, vulgarly, but it's like that.

SPEAKER_00: 33:08

Pardon, excuse me, that mission specifically, you coup it was what your dialogue when I said that it had been the chef of detachment.

SPEAKER_01: 33:18

I demanded why. This chef of the group, he communique his passion. And he made me capable to get. But when we are a chef at other night, we do not want to do the others. But when we are leader, the moments of doubt they evident. But for me, they don't think they are. But you have to say they catch it after that. And the others, after all, aid to realize and provide the bad solution, the solution the more efficient.

SPEAKER_00: 34:21

Excellent. Alright, you parlawed of exemplarity also. Is there an anecdote on so this mission or another that would illustrate that notion of exemplarity?

SPEAKER_01: 34:44

It's about my 20 years of career. It's complicated to say I've been exemplaire. It's also the longevity. We're not exemplar on the humility. We don't permit to la plug when we discutte with a person and we pose a question. We don't do star. No, no, it's to guard their humility. We're not, but we have it's normal that we have to this name of formation. It's like a footballer professional person, he has to. I don't know if they are, but I think we've been. And the exemplaire, exemplaire, it's not we decided, it's the others who qualify. Okay. I know that this mechan is exemplaire, and I will sure. I think he has the fashion to be, and I think that it's the bad thing. But by what the people, by all that you rejoice, at the moment, when I was a chef of group, the people living in my group. I demanded, but in what group you have? But I'm living in your group. But I mean, it's the boulot, I think it's good, you know. It's really the sentiments of others me find that okay, I've impressed that you create a bad image for those. That marks. For me, the courage is really a vertu to entrepreneur actions difficult at a moments very precise that would finish. When we are courageous, we don't render. It's a reaction to a contact, it's a reaction to the room who can crash. We reach, we make a danger to solve the life of us. In the life, I talk to the mission that I realized in Afghanistan, where we heard our poet Jonathan, John, where he is decided in a campaign, and we have to change. It was a little bit complicated to explain, but it was diger to that. It's good to hear. We have gaillards, a meeting courageous, who have these things that we have not been a second. The mean was too face in this situation, and at this moment, the guy has enormous courage. If he had this courage, he had rest at distance, he had over the eye. No, he had preferred to get his arm in his eyes and maîtriser the guy. And I think that it's a virtue that we have. I'm persuaded. We are all courageous at a moment, for the family, for the done. It should say, okay, already I'm happy. I don't know. I put the example of a ram de métro, there's an aggression that's enough to get. Okay, I'm sure, but I'm not the right to have peace, it's courageous. In fact, it's a dialogue interface that you're not sure, alright. C'est-à-dire, if to Loïc, you don't have a mission, okay, your mission is to arrive to enter in that place and to save your family, and so you can disnect and you want to a mission and you have normally courageous. You have in to a little bit of courage to realize your mission. And for finish, create an identity. You are an homeless. For a jean, for people who have confiance in him, who is not too courageous, it's a little bit. Okay, alright I'm courageous, alright. My chef who m'emmered all the years, I'm going to say discuting a little bit about him, the eyes in the eyes, and I'll say what I think. And it's that courage. That's what I'm going to say.

SPEAKER_00: 41:09

It's a very echo in judo, another one, because I've had judo for a few years. We have a code moral in France. So it's a series of versions, of values, right. And the courage, just what you described, it's completely evocated the fact that we appreciate them in judo. The courage is in the code moral, is what is just that it's a little bit what you say, in fact. What you want the risk associated with the action that you have, you put you the risk on the point. You know what I'm saying. I'm a bit impressed that it's that.

SPEAKER_01: 41:44

But I did it's facility to be courageous when you have a perfect. It's facility to be courageous when it risk. But for the fact that it's courageous and they don't know what happened just after, okay, that we can say courage. When the guy of the BR at Paris, when the guy's rent in the Bataclan, I think these homes have been very courageous. They don't know where they were, but they are.

SPEAKER_00: 42:22

Completely. And it's clear that it's an example I think that many people. Alright, I'm gonna go to return because just a link in a long time about the courage. And the author, I think he's Gérard Guerrier. And he changed, I don't know if it's ancient, but the people of the BR who were at Bataclan, I think he was like commandos. And just he said exactly what you're gonna say if you are there, is we can really courage? And I've tried the reflection very interesting, you know. The courage comes at the moment where potentially the action that you entrepreneur comports a risk for toi, what are the risks?

SPEAKER_01: 43:08

We can see exactly the parallel with Alain and Cédric, the two guys of commando Iber who are decided. They respire the courage, these two guys. When they rent in that, they don't know what happened. The same point, for each, it was to solve the otages. And the courage and the pure, it's exactly that.

SPEAKER_00: 43:41

It's not for knowing if you're the same. Is that a mission that has been the object of a reportage or a documentary?

SPEAKER_01: 44:04

The report of Stéphane Rebojan for us we approach like a cadeau. When a pair of family, a member of family, a cousin per chair, we say, but it's a reportage lesson, all the people have these images and permit to pass to other children, en too d'être un peu plus serein for the rest of our view, simply. The most important is evidence also the stress in the uh three weeks after the competition or two years after the day of the test, if now we can stress, it's in the reflection, position, put their basket, and say it's not that I will come to stress to what I'm gonna do. It's really anticipating that. And for that, for stress a bit more, we should make a situation. If the guy stresses when he rent down low, à chaque fois qu'il rentre dans l'eau at the piscine or at the plage, you can say okay, I'm not enjoying that piscine, là I'm en haut of the cuve, this famous cuve sombre and very froid. And there's a dialogue, you know that he says, Okay, I'm pretty sure in this cuve. At the end of me, you have an instructor who is enjoying to me. Like I have 50 meters of the nage, ensues I'm gonna change a plongeur that has 8 meters of profonde. And for his stress. In fact, he will example I've had the habit to do that at the moment. A whole time I allum my douche, the couple seconds, in general, it's about 10 and 15 seconds where the eye is froid, I am. It's not for me to entrap, because that's what we arrived at my corn, I would say. But it's just for that analyses the situation. C'est-à-dire que when I turn the eyes and I make that, I think okay, I'm in the cube, I'm enjoying passing the test for devenir force special. I'm not from me to my douche. No, no, I'm trying to enter in this cube to pass the test. And at the time, if you do two years, two years, two, three days ago, at a moment, the analysis the stress, the stress, and the journey, in order to have the text that is at 180, the person will say no, I don't know this sensation, you can see the stress, and the colour is more fair, and the guy is a little bit more apt to realize his work. The stress is that it's accepted to be stressed, but for anticipation. Wow.

SPEAKER_00: 48:33

It's passionate because I remember a lot of notions that have been by another invitation in an episode. I think it's a trajectory long before, so I'd invit to it. And it's the subconscious. And in this episode, he explained that the difference between the imagery and the reality. And an excellent way to pass a pale extremely important in terms of performance in the sport, it's in using the imagery. And in fact, it's what I've said the dialogue internal or something evident or support. I don't know if it's difficult, but in the surmon with your pleasure potential.

SPEAKER_01: 49:39

Exactly. And I think in the living the year where I was the most stressed in my career. And that's the surprise of chef, I don't know. In two months, it's the year where I received a ball on the plaque. And I was project in the room, and I want in the living. Wow.

SPEAKER_00: 50:08

Wait, I imagine, right? But I'm precipitated in a library November to learn that. We arrived at the rendezvous, so a great mercy, Matt. People the mother of the fin. What's that you return to very synthetic? What is the message in one phrase that you've had enough to partake after 20 years in effort special?

SPEAKER_01: 50:31

Realise vos rêves, simply. Faites-le vraiment et ne vous arrêtez pas au premier obstacle. Allez jusqu'au bout des choses. Super.

SPEAKER_00: 50:57

Un immense merci, Matt. Merci beaucoup pour ton temps. J'ai hâte d'entamer la lecture de ton livre, Objectif force spécial. Et puis je te dis à une prochaine pour de nouveaux récits, peut-être.

SPEAKER_01: 51:08

Super. Merci à toi, Loïc. Et puis hâte hâte d'écouter tout ça, hâte de te réécouter à travers d'autres podcasts. Merci et puis à bientôt.