SPEAKER_02: 1:09

L'hélico décolle derrière moi, dès qu'il est décollé, déduit le trou, on se cache l'arme lourde, la caisse du corps. Vas-y, monsieur concentré. La guerre c'est quand même le temps. La guêpe est la sœur qui est le temps. C'est la gâte qu'on a dans les armées. Entraînement difficile.

SPEAKER_00: 2:17

Alors pensons ensemble de découvrir mon invité de la semaine. Excellente écoute à vous les frappés. Vers Action, comme on dit. Salut Louis, bienvenue sur le podcast.

SPEAKER_02: 2:37

Salut Loïc.

SPEAKER_00: 2:39

Ravi de t'accueillir aujourd'hui. Très, très heureux que tu as pu te libérer pour nous. It's an honor. And it's worth it that we can see. Alright, we've not been left J, but we'll have it lean, here 6 juin. So it's good for the symbolique aussi. Sans en dire plus, I'll present, we're where you're, what you say, and that marks.

SPEAKER_02: 3:19

I visit at Lorient where I traveled for 10 years for the operations on operator, puis chef of group. Like I'm actually official in the marine, I'm capitaine. And I continue to work for the marine plus for 30 years, but I'm in a statute of active.

SPEAKER_00: 3:37

Wow, genial. And forces spécial, pretty particularly checking the commando marine, come Teddy, d'ailleurs, because it's grass to lui that we have published entrer en relation. But peut-être qu'on pourrait commencer par le commencement. Qu'est-ce qui t'a amené à t'engager dans l'armée dans un premier temps et puis par la suite à bifurquer vers les forces spéciales?

SPEAKER_02: 4:10

Alors moi, je n'étais pas du tout prévu de rentrer dans l'armée. S'il y a un destin, eh bien moi, mon destin n'était pas celui de rentrer dans l'armée, clairement. Moi, je n'étais pas très bon à l'école. J'ai eu mon bac, Ricrac, je suis parti à l'université. Par contre, ce que j'aimais bien, c'était travailler avec les enfants, les jeunes, les adolescents, et c'était les sciences. I was orientated with a licence of physics and chimie on the idea of development. So I've been prof at the base. So we're a bit lower. I mean, I was a bit low, I think. And at the university, it was a lot of time libre. And I profited for a pet boulot at the end. I lost with my parents, so it was an argent poche but this argent of poche, I should pay a vol on aerosclub, on these avions. I recently a bit in the life that I wrote. And I went an instructor in the club who was a military benevolent at club. And he's who made a made the pillow at the trip, who made there are conventions of the Army of the Lair that are there to jealous people who went to the back. And I was completely ignorant of the fact that we could pass a concours for entrant in the Army of the Air. So that's what I've done. I prepared, I enseigned, I prepared, I was very stressed at the time to pass a concours military. I've been a lot of clichés on the certain revealed and other full, I would say. At this moment I was at Cognac, I've had Salon Provence, the college of their Cognac, the colour of pilotage of the air. And at the end of my module at Cognac, I had a cat, I said what I do, I am, but I think that I'm not doing it as my commanders. I think that I work two for the same results that, although there are doing it. It's not the way in the promotion, and there are the promotion that are very doing, and I compare to them and I said, but it's a little bit they are very fun, they have a lot of facility, and I have a lot of. When we rent the arm, if we have medicine, we have cuistos, we find chauffeur, mechanician on a bateau, what is the we'll get their class and we'll apply the rudiments, the fundamental combat for a combattant. It's the principle of military, employee your arm, employee in sickly, employee in group. Or at least. It was a fine. I was following alpha jet, I was like a dingue, but it was planned. I began to say the place, it was during this formation initial where we were on the terrain on the team, we had the bagar, and that I was very. I'm just in the army, because I think that it's here where I have enough, and I heard a little bit more physical. At this moment, I've had no idea where I was. I have no idea what they were. I did the report that we did at the TV. It's the standard. There were certain of my people, after they are there, they know that what they don't do is commodo marine, they're shooting ups, it's a shit. I did not do it in the scale. I was at this moment, I'm saying I'll go to the terrain, but where I'm going to go. And that's already a concourse of circumstances that I mean to say commando marine, because I'm in the air. And the same force special that I know is the command of marine grass to Marius and the reportage. And then I pose the question, but I have no info. On the internet, you have an info that filter. In the centre of recruitment, they explain it. I'm not personally sure who does this. In my family, we have military, I'm the only military, right? I don't know if you know the thing is as particularly. When they are pilot in the arm of the air, it's not comfortable. It's very exactly, it's very difficult, it does make much professionalism, but if you rent down the mole, franchise, it's tough. And the other, a completely unknown, the noise absolute, I went, I don't know where I'm. He went in the suit. In the suit, I'm with a less carling. So I was a chihuahua in the middle of these. I have the impression of two hyperbaracts, hyper taciturn, with an air very martial, too, equipped with flingues, enormous, etc. And then I was there to get that with the grand. I'm a fish, what's this? And I've got the impression to assist to be a little bit in the circle. I assist a circle, a thing fascinating, éblouissant, and we said that you can do it. It's possible to get it in the army. And then I say, I'm military, I don't know. If you put the bad decisions, the big thing, I'll do that. And then my part in abusition, I mean, it's not, it's genius. But it is just the question if the marine is like that, we pose pleasure. There are many people who contact on Instagram, on Facebook, and there are demands of people who say it's like that, what you think, so it's an avis with this podcast. But in the case, I was like them. I was in the obscurity. And a year I wrote a country at me, where the pair was in a regiment of force special, the 13th regiment dragon parachutist, who is already at Bordeaux. And I went to this guy, the pair of my pot. And I said, I posted plenty of questions. I think we are military, in the force special, I'm not sure. The guy was his mission or something, but I said because the people said. And I said, I'm going to go to the commando marine, but I don't know what it's like, what you think. And he said and said, Commando Marine. I'm here, very sort of me. And I said, and I've got this guy, it's a guy who was super for me, who had a super awesome. I said, Okay, okay, if you say that, and I played, I said to my parents, hop, I write what I'm doing, I finally got my diploma, so I've got my earliest examples for passing my diploma to pilot. And I appreciate the gentleman of the Marine and I say, Are they, I don't enter the Commando Marine. And that very for me. I think the people sous-estim the number of gens who respond to what we demand. They sous-estim really to the aid they don't have. And I think that's okay with Captain of Fregade, Lieutenant Colonel, for don't have an order of ideas, it's my N plus 5. I appreciate the culo and they say I present and say, excuse me to dérange it, but I'm gonna ask, I don't know what I'm addressing. So either. If you can, and the mechanics have put their hands and a day. The N plus 5, it's incredible. They have put your time for an employee that was hyper charged. I think after they contacted and the decor, and there are me who are hyper occupied. There's no mechanism hyper occupied for a life. If the mechan is hyper occupied, it's the mechanic efficacy, he put the time, he drove the seven minutes, the bad person to make in contact and to ask. And that I'm convinced that it's the same thing in the civil. I've had plenty of experiences identical of people who have the time on the internet, they did Elon Musk. He said that when he was very young, he had contacted the guy d'Apple who is Steve Jobs, he had envoyed a mail on demanding a consequence, and Steve Jobs had repeated. Although he had no contact. The mechan had the seven minutes to respond, because for him it was enormous. Although in my position, typically when I made it at the place of what was Elon Musk when I was, I connected, I've had no idea, I said where I was. And these were far in the night. So that was really an experience of life. And after I did the thing, I hesitate to demand when I have aid and I'm addressing. My pair has a question of it. When I had an among people who were at the moment, he was in order that when I had an among people who were sufficient audience and politics. At the time we had the portable, etc. They had appeared at telephone and we went to the parents. And then my phone was always a bit stoic and he had a little bit on the telephone. And we went to that it was poly, but a bit of audience, a little bit courage, and it passed all the time. And my phone adored. It was really wrong. So that was a wrong experience, but it was this.

SPEAKER_00: 17:31

Pardon me, but for that, you said it was nothing in the civil. If you have 20-30% who responded, it was genius. And there are championship, these entrepreneurs that have been, like you said, super busy who responded, and the tail of response is quite 80%. It's incredible. So I think that's just for appliances in the civic lesson, demand.

SPEAKER_02: 18:05

Exactly. That's what we're saying, it is the same thing.

SPEAKER_00: 18:09

Exactly, okay.

SPEAKER_02: 18:32

I think the inconscient of people is telling enormous. The image mental that we have is only enormous that there are a lot of people who don't even have to demand. I think the fear is the factor number one in the inhibition for the people to sit from the other. It's really enormous. It was a box when I was and I thought my first competition. I'm part of volunteer, and I feel the malin. For sure that I'm volunteer, etc. The semaine precedent, I was absolutely terrassed by the peace. Too much with me, I mean, but why I did okay? I went to a ring to make tabas, but I was in the veil, I'm listening to me completely, really. And the lending I say okay, I part, I do a montagne, I think I'm gonna go, etc. But I went to the ring and I've been. No, no, it's normal. All these competitions are like that. All these competitions are like that. Because we've got all these competitions, the great competitions olympic, the competitions of the national company, etc. Where the championship, you know, a champion presentation at their company. So if it's a combat, for example, they are already there. But on amateur, I think the people are evil the number of people who inscribe, but they are not at their combat, it is. Tyson said that phrase. Tyson has an idea I told it very interesting. Mike Tyson, champion of the world, two category poids lourd, two federation points lourd at 20 years. The guy explains in an interview, he addressed the camera and says we have it and we have four, and felicities. The people don't see them. And that I'm absolutely convinced to reach the parallel with this idea of demand to people, etc. The power is the first inhibitor that we say that it's not fair, but I don't want to. I think that typically, I'm done, we derived the interesting. Plus it is attractive, plus the mechs are absolutely tetanised to go to a fan, never number. There are clubs of the fraternity of mechan in the universities. And one of the appearance for entry in the fraternity of me, it's to obtain 10 numerals of television in the room.

SPEAKER_00: 22:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 22:40

It's completely absurd. Effectively, there's a way a little bit pure. But the exercise is super interesting. Because obtaining 10 numbers of television at a inconvenience in the room, franchise, it's a sacred episode for the people. It's enormous. It's interesting. And so I went to Lorient after a lot of magouilles administrative, and I rent in the marine. The marine integres generosely and I do my brevets technique at Lorient.

SPEAKER_00: 23:30

Ah okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02: 23:32

I rent in the Army at 20, 20. 23 years, I present the BAT fusil marin in the foolet. So it's a BAT that during what it is. I think it's six months. Ensuite the stage co two months, and we are in the grand bar. We are in unity. And I arrived at the BAT and my class. We appreciate a tactics, we appreciate a lot of things. And I think I'm very at all. It's really my truth. En tout cas, I'm very épanoui. And we have my BAT presentation. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00: 24:54

But it's interesting because I'm thinking about Teddy and you, he is sort of when you're renting, it means. I don't know if I can say that it was, but it's a vague idea of what it would be at the end of the reportage. It's a little thing. You said the documentary of Marius. After all the rest that was in operation, etc. For the civil, it's completely inconnu. So I'm curious to know what it's about for toi.

SPEAKER_02: 25:59

Alright, the stageco, I think that it's a bad format. It's not a chance that's usurped. It's really necessary. And for the gentlemen who rest, it is an approach collective, but also individual, because we're made in a retrenchment that we don't experiment in the stageco. We don't experiment the sanitaire that we can impose the stageco, the degree of exigence physical, moral, and mental. There's another one in the world where we could have an encadrement that is there present for a cadre where we can sit in those extremities.

SPEAKER_00: 26:59

In security.

SPEAKER_02: 27:18

And in fact, just in the stage commando, at a whole time in his life where we have a bobo, we have a mother. We have his cousin, we have we have the infirmiers, we tell the medicine, and we say, Oh, I have a bobo, wait, wait, we have to sign it, I don't get the activity in life and we have to go. And it's the reaction that we have naturally. We present our bobo, more or more grave. Generally it's grave because we know the attendance, and we say we don't go for a pet bobo. So we arrived at the text ensangless, and we want an anecdote. The guy went to the instructor, and the instructor, in the say, or your uncle is, or something, he said, Do you want to continue? The guy has a head ensanglante. And that's nice to see that. I discussed with a colleague the other year who said that he was in formation at Lorient, at the call of fusion. And there was an infirmary, yeah. And a year he had a blessing on the genoux. And we know that the center of soon, it's the center of so marin, but also the commandos. So they have a profit a bit particularly, and then he arrived with the genou with a backyard, and he said, Well, there's a message on the genou. And he told the guy in face, an infirmient, he regards, he did not a moment, he put a goblet on the which he verses the foot, he regards, he put a success, he makes the sucre in the eye, hey with a cuill, he doesn't send a moment, he said boy. So my camarade boy sans trop comprendre. And then my camarade to say plus, I've comprised.

SPEAKER_00: 29:56

What's he doing?

SPEAKER_02: 30:01

It's a bit that we remove confrontation of a mechanical. And we think that if there was a definition of materialism of sort of her zone of comfort, I think that it's that. To get a bobo and continue to go on the bobo, continue to escalad after his bobo. That's really particularly. When we do an analogy with the niveau sportive of the commando marine, we talk about this is an example that's even reprised because we say we church a formula. We church that are very bad in a domain because the formula are fragile. We have a lot that has a ton of formula on the pistol. Formula one, but they will go into the circuit and they can in a shape, they can travel the shape. The formula one traverses the shop. They are not good. So that's really what he knew. So there are me who are resilient and are polyvalent. And so we provide a little stage commando in these conditions. We decided a little bit, we have a series of exercises, and we watched. I'm sure there's an idea that I wanted in the video, but it was evident for me. A guy who was enormous, who was 1,90 mm, he had 10 kilos. It was a monster. And the guy at a moment we were confronted to an event that on the patch had great. At the end, we went to the border of the cave, which is a great battery of about 10 meters of diameter, but we didn't know we were at 5 meters, 6 meters of the ball. And we went to a margin that is at 6 meters of the hair in the room, in the room, so that the hand is super simple, but that was an approach for me. For this Goliath, I said, but it's very bad. A guy from that enormous, we're a force of the nature. And the two bêtes, it was not done at the end. He said, I don't know, in fact. We have also the accumulation, the fatigue, the mentality that was used, we are stressed, we are angoing in permanence. We are made in a condition psychological that are particularly because we don't have a monster, we don't know we don't know the program, we don't know what we want to do in the morning, in the night, the lending, in the hour, we see what happens. Now, my heart of the time, my head of fatigue, the day of fatigue of my companies, the two minutes that will support, and it's all. And it's instantaneous. And the instructor is the figure that we have the water and says the project is that. And then my mind circumscribes now along a new episode. But it's all.

SPEAKER_00: 34:09

You don't know that example of the great costaud of 1m90. It's super interesting to know that there are sorted at a moment. I don't know if you have, but in my life, Marius, he talked about one of the episodes where he's in France, where we are in France, in a country a little frozen, a little poly.

SPEAKER_02: 36:28

They economic 20 mm of course at pied on mètres with the gross sack, etc. So it's quite 20 meters. I filmed mine de rien for the passage and passing and it's like that. But I've very known in his regard that it had a moment that he said, ooh, I'm not what he did. And I think it's very clearly very exactly what I've done, and because I've done exactly. There are 10 meters of course at the page that we mocked. But the guy is a little couple in the wind, but at the moment, for us it's essential because if it was top, it's the group that. And for me, it was intolerable that he felt a sanction that is penalised at us. I think already, I crazy, the guy has a reaction. I don't know. I'm not in confidence when I'm here. When I say that he's not in confidence, it's not. But I say two. I think I'll be there in 40 minutes, we have the reaction of the two. But less m'avait vraiment poussé à une extremité qui restait finalement, and the souvenir is restored, en tout cas, very fortune.

SPEAKER_00: 39:26

Interessant. So it's also interesting to know how chacun reagit on the cat figure.

SPEAKER_02: 39:51

What is it? It's Jung, Carl Jung who's a psychanalyst, and he parlay of what I tell the persona. And the persona, it's an extra figure that we do in society, in function of the person with who we are. And Jung, it had a mind particular, a little bit like a mask that we enfilm in function of the situations. Some of that is a bit of energy to have this mask. It's a little like when we play a show video with a cop and a couple and it's the patron. And you with coffee, we don't want the manner that we talk about his patron. So when we decroche, hop, we have to change the mask and we will make another to. And that makes an effort. This is consummate, and we have the energy to enfilm correctly the person, and we let a nature a little bit profound, which is revealed, a little bit. And that's very interesting because effectively we want a little bit, we touch a little bit at the personality a little bit profound of certain mechanics. And that's why I see the mechanics who bring and already have part of my idols, they admire really, because I've been away from the room, I've known how they read a row. And I said, Okay, I'm really a mechanical. We see, we see the peace, we see the mechanism who triches for 20 minutes, and we have a mechanic who are pretty to sacrifice for their colleagues. And that's absolutely cool. And in operation, effectively when we are, we have tendency to choose the guy who is a value. And effectively, there are a guy who have personality incredible and with which it's an absolute pleasure to work. And I'm genius. Okay, I'm too easy on the couple. In fact, with the lunch that was plain, there's an extra ombre that was surprised on the roches, and he has completely rated his atterrissage. He's fine. The lunettes of vision that he has on the eye are detained. He has also his fling, he has also his munitions, his impact on the side, and he turned inconscient in a moment. Hey, he said that he is too late in the middle of null, in a hostile, and he said, He resemble his affairs, his parachute, he has a delay at the jump, but I have the colleagues who hate to me in fact. When we have the élite, the team of the elite have precision, and precision are arms of. That's it. They cover the zones, they survey the zones, they are in the protection personality, they don't protect the group. And this is his job. And he said, If I'm here, if you're not at the operation, in fact there's another part of the operation where the guys are not protected. So I don't protect the zone that I protect. And then he made his fling, he puts the six burns, in the middle of all the part, in a zone hostile, sending radio and with a jam very deliberate. He said what he is, he has no shape. So he said, jam to jam, you don't have to go. So he says to correct. And he has already a fling that fits already 5-10 kilos on the poles. And he has already 20-40 kilos of equipment on her. Parce que ce mec là, c'est Monsieur Toutonde. Vous le croisez, c'est un père de famille who adore his gosse, who adore conneries like his gosses, passing time with his voice. It's a mechanical simple, but simple. Sauf que this girl-là, it's a putain de hero.

SPEAKER_00: 47:39

It's encore plus édifiant, I've troubled, because just the dimension. Enfin rassurant, même si c'est un cadre extreme, but it's the cadre of the stage. It's an operation, it's impressionable.

SPEAKER_02: 48:00

Some of the mechs, all these stories that I've heard, at a time it's a mechanism hyper humble, hyper simple. When they said, The mechanics, at the point, you would not live the colleagues, that's the phrase of base. The colleagues are there.

SPEAKER_00: 48:41

Protéger des missions, protéger des équipes. But the trouble it's also that inspires, and you think they're contacting by pleasure, they're not inspiring by that, sans vouloir dénigrer des campagnes de com de l'armée, but by the campaign de com official, or a spot public of 20 seconds, machine, where we see the people in uniform proper. There are higher things that.

SPEAKER_02: 49:14

I'm engaged for Sentinel, and for patrouillar in the car in France. I'm engaged for the bagar, for the glory, for the year. It's for that we engage. I don't think it's a very good idea. Oh, it's interesting, but it's not what we church. I think the people are a little bit more easy to have a good mission a little bit audacity with a chef a little bit audacity, a little cortike, because it's a little bit, we don't know, and they are a little bit more content than to have a pet job plan, during an ordinary with the security of the employee. But there's quite a thing, it's quite a fascinating. A whole time the people mean what I prefer is the history that you want. It's that they're gonna clearly. In fact, I think there's really a way universal to these stories, a little guerrier. It's a thing that we try in those civilizations. There are archetypes in those civilizations. And the archetypes of the hero, the guerrier, it's kind of a thing that we try, we'll see the Babylonians at more than 5000 after Jesus Christ, and the Mesopotamians, more seven after Jesus Christ, we try these stories. We try the history of the hero, there are things that are a lot of contemporary that we know or a period. No, no, they're things that are really great than us, and who are inscribed very profoundly in a unconstant collective. And really I decourive that. I'll decide because a whole time it's message. A black way that people who are low of the arm, with those people who are not sensible to the value of the arm, etc. These are touch. We want really a difficult explicit.

SPEAKER_00: 51:47

No, but interesting enough. And also for the effort special, I suppose. You do not have, but you can see, before you have the beret vert and that the adventure on unity has come, how it was.

SPEAKER_02: 52:50

L'armée is kind of an end where there are traditions, there's a lot of usage. And it's like two my people have already, or it was a little bit at the marge. I did, we did a little bit the initiative. For certain, clearly we sure, and there are an opportunity, but that have a very symbolic. For example, in the commando marine, there's what we call the tordage badge. I don't know what it is, but it's a whole moment we turn the badge. It's a little insignia that we port on our, and there's an approach, a written initiative against that. And this has been in two years. So the ancient who I could do, the commandos marine with which I discutte, it's hard for them. So that's a thing that traverse the village. And there are other things like the battages not for inutile, but the guys have not coming to be, but there was more the pressure of mission.

SPEAKER_00: 54:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 54:27

So the people tapped a little bit about the now it has a lot of changes. And there's a great turnover also. The people change a lot, the world is approving, so we fatigue as well, so there are many people who are, along with the mechanics were absolutely all their career in commando, so it's a little bit more rare, it is a bit rare. So I think there are also mentality that changed that.

unknown: 54:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 54:57

But the couple has a little bit of a projections, the projections have been, and it's not very happening. After it's a military that's particularly the commando marine, it's a military that's very technique. It's a military technique, and where there are very great professionals. The commando marine, by definition, are the measure that are extremely assiduous in their life and their life on the door. I don't know because I'm here, but that's a concept. The mechanic is a very pro. And it looks very. What are the competences? And that's important when we have a place that's polymorphic as the commando marine. We have terrorism maritime, aerocordage, we can make an escalade, combat in jungle, combat in the desert, motorized, but in vehicle, there's a panel of things. So where we are born, what we excel. It can also be to say, okay, this guy has this profile, I'm going to binoma with another person who will equilibrate, which is a big synergy, a bad ensemble, or the right, you'll just make more information or something, etc. And that's another thing that I said with Teddy Palace. When I demand what you want to do in arriving in commando, for commando, I said, for other reasons. And you say that there are competence to acquired in commando. And so we have an competence that it is, server in a fashion or another. And we evocated with Teddy the guy who passed my CAP boulangerie. But when we have my CAP boulangerie, and we are in base advancing with zero, we have cuistos, we have comic, and we turn from those who have cuisined for cuisining, and it is a little champion of the marmite and it makes a points like that. Chicken apps, apported his pet at the chiquitier. For example, we have a guy who failed the photo. And then he was a bit of a prise of view. We had a lot of prise of view. We appreciate the apparel photos, etc. And he was a passion. And he put a photos all the time. So he had to find at the end of the day a magnificent book with a portfolio, a photos of the guys and it was hyper sympathy. And that in terms of coes, it was top. We were very content to have this guy who fought the photo, already the thing that we're going to attend for a command or a guy who invented the commando marine.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:51

Is it the famous Largo?

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:54

No, no, it's not Largo. No, it's not Largo. But Largo, typically, that's an competence that he was developed in commando and already that we are. But there's plenty of things like that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:22

It's a super conseil, I think. In the rejoin clearly what Alex Francesales, who is an ancient premier payment, I've got. Et il disait, bah voilà, en fait, la course d'orientation, c'était juste un énorme avantage en tant que force spécial.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:49

C'était énorme. C'était énorme parce qu'en infiltration, quand on a un besoin d'un gars qui capte hyper vite par où il faut passer, qui capte très bien son environnement, it's absolutely génial. C'est hyper précieux. C'était un gars, c'était un fils de paysan. La chasse, c'était sa vie. It was a chasseur incroyable. And this guy-là, it suffised, what was the infiltration, he suffisated to the metting in tight. He troubled the measure, the measurements. He sent the terrain, in fact. He had known all his life. For an anecdote, one of Malib, I live. He knew the group in two minutes. That's an attack incredible for a group. He will see exactly where he can pass. It's super pressure, these guys are. And so the competence, it's not so estimately because we don't measure the interest that the people have lost. But it's not in the civil, I don't know. In fact, it's interesting is that when you say acquire competence, it's not knowing the three things. It's not the two official in a room. It's not competent. And that's where I repeat the example of the guy at which we can find a material, a new jumel optronic, the guy comes right and has the back. He will pass the night to learn the mode of employee to imprint, to understand how it works, and to know exactly what is his life, he will make an event, he will plant, turn on pan, he will replace it, etc. Just to be perfect, just to see how the ideal. Then he has a very competence in this process. The mechan who acquired the machine, who has comprised what the boulder is on off, who says, Okay, I've got it, he has not achieved a competence. He is not competent in what he does. And it's that difference also, I think, certain units of other. Dès qu'on vous écramait des mèches lentes, c'est des mèches de poudre pour déclencher les explosifs, dès qu'on les a cramés, ils sentaient l'odeur. Ils disaient ⁇ ça, c'est une odeur que j'adore. C'était un artificier accompli. Les explosifs, c'était son truc. Et c'est ce qu'on recherche finalement. Parce que une bonne équipe, c'est ça, en fait. C'est un ensemble de mecs qui ont des expériences différentes, qui ont des profils différents, qui ont des compétences différentes.

SPEAKER_00: 1:06:11

Alors, puisqu'on parle d'équipe, quel parcours, toi, est-ce que tu as eu? Donc, bon, evident, une fois que tu as eu ton BR, d'ailleurs, tu as intégré lequel des commandos? Très pelle, okay. Est-ce que c'est toujours une tradition, je voudrais une parenthèse dans la parenthèse, que les majors de promo rentrent à De Montfort? No? Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 1:06:39

It was probably right when it was his.

SPEAKER_00: 1:06:53

Okay, so you're not the point.

SPEAKER_02: 1:07:00

I've been my time on the operator, I went to the second machine. And after three days, I passed, I've been a court official. After my co-officient, I've been in the commando and I've been chef of group on the commando Jobert. Jobert, okay. After now, it's a very comfortable for me. It's a commandos that I made a lot. And the rook. And so I'm the sport contact. It corresponds very much, I think, to my profile. And I think that the experience has made that I was at line. But I was very content. And there are the commandos that they for the anecdote, it's two commandos, like the three commandos original, what I mean commandos de Montfort de Parfateman, Trepel, Jobert have those specificities, ain't Hubert, who has gotten his specificity. So they have these specificity. And they left their trace in the commandos. Now they are the savoirs are a little bit horizontalized, but it demeans quite ansibility in the commandos. It was the command of Montfort, where we put these enormous maps, gorillas. Why? Because initially it was a commando, but it was a long distance and mortier. And the mortier, there were plaques of mortier that 20 kilos, which is in infiltration, and they followed a profiling relatively rustic. It's a gas hyper.

SPEAKER_00: 1:10:28

Okay. And you know, in what is the message changed before you're a chef of group? What's completely different for you?

SPEAKER_02: 1:10:37

It's very different in the measure where we have a big group of means to gérer, which is at 10 to 15, 30 on the terrain with the supplétifs that have been a joke.

unknown: 1:11:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 1:11:10

Vis-a-vis.

SPEAKER_02: 1:11:48

Comment? Wait, that's that. I don't know the referent because it's the responsible. No, no. I'll tell you to be responsive of the mech, responsible of the mission. That's really a lot of manner. It was humiliating because I failed. But it was a very lesson. And also when it worked. It's the role of the chef. But it was extremely edifying for me. But a lot of my blow. The way to put the responsibility of another is something that with family is really important at my eyes already. And it's a poor point that is really extremely low to portable, but I built with a lot of pleasure that I say that it's a suffrage that I've heard. It's a sufferance that I embrace for a reason very precisely that I should. And that's a thing that I think is difficult to explain, but it's good when we are responsible. Frankly, we have to be responsible. We don't have enough to stay the matter, to have an exemplar, to share the money of the others, before the others, the shit. So in fact, it doesn't really work. Put their responsibility, it will not be because all these suffering that we enjoy, all these bad disagreements that are very great if we have responsibilities. In fact, it does not really have a sense of things. We can extrapolate in all the conditions, because it's a boulder, in a relationship intimate, in a relationship conjugal, in a relationship amical. Really I decided that. Because in fact the world is an enchantment of suffering, can we? What aim to leave the matin at the aurora to travel. We aim to do what we want really. We aim to have a view of eternal and get what we want, jump with the others the journey, change, the table made so that we have a few, and put it on the table. What do you want to do? But no, the table is not made, not made. The cuisine is not fit, it's faster. So it's a big suffering, but boot to boot, I think that it does not have a sense, and I think that the page. Calculate your trees, stay tranquill, it has to be.

SPEAKER_00: 1:17:03

Enfin, on name à l'abri. It's evident qu'il va y avoir des imprévus, des choses plus compliquées à gérer que ce qu'on avait imaginé, but if on est allé se perdre un petit peu, se faire un peu mal et qu'on a appris à travers son experience, c'est exactement ce que tu dis, commandos, mais c'est vrai que tous les invités with which we dispute, what the profit, it's a little bit ressort, so these experiences, quantitable are difficult and challenging, they target for the suit. It's really the capacity to know how to challenge that to all the time, at a moment, what it is the situation, that served. And the thing you want to see, I've got the impression that it's a little bit. And the whole time you've had your stage, that's an entrainment for the view, in fact. But the objective is just the same.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:01

Exactly. In fact, I choose my suffering. When you are the guy, it's kind of the paroxysm of the symbol. The guy is the world that épargns the soul. Entry difficult, facility. That's that. I choose my suffering now for. Because after I dominate the situation in the which we plumbed. If I hurried all the time, if I'm learning, I'm in short, and I exercise physically, the time where the terrain I was with all my bargains to the enemy or for putting the enemy at revers, I'm eight more, and the effort was telling more facilities than if I was. Because the time I demand to put the enemy on revers at all vitess, and that I was in surpoids, I don't know, there are a cardio de pool, you're not jambes, but that's a suffering terrible, because I don't arrive, I have a check, and there's gents that will be because of me. That's what it will say. So in fact, I don't know if I rate, the suffering will be telling that there are people who can finish by passing. I'm not assuring my post. And in fact, it's each who have trunk for me. It's my company who have trunks for me. That's what it will say in fact. And that's a thing that's terrible. And it's paroxysm, this is. Typiquically, to have a pleasure different, to resist immediately for a pleasure different, it's something that's enormous. It's enormous. The way to do that, in fact, I move a panel of possibilities that can succumb, who succumbs systematically to play immediately, in fact, it's an stoic that it's an esclave. He is an esclave of his instincts, in fact, the mechanic is enfermed, he has an impression of libre because he does we at all the solicitations that are. But typically, it's the kind of mechanism you can learn in an addiction to alcohol, an addiction to the porno, an addiction to the drugs at 30 years. It's inevitable. It's inevitable in the society of life. After all the solicitations that we have, it's a calculation that is simple to make it. And that's a truth which we have to resist. So we say, Okay, I'm training for the month. In fact, for the point, in the army it's a mind that we depends, there has a great sense. So the difference there has really a sense. If you want to my people, for not let my people at the journey. That's that the truth. And that's hyper pucent. It's a message that's hyper pure. And there's a motor that we imagine the puffance. My responsibility I was putting the morning. I was arrived in the army, we said boom, hop, to go in two days, I'm in stage commando, and boom, I'm here, and it's not even like that. It was, yeah after year. There are etc. So I'm not ready for me. I've had these, but I'm at it. So the people, as I said, the idea of envisaging an exhibition, for us it's true. The people when they conceive the challenge, like we've talked about, in a competition, not only they make in form the conditions of their success, if you want a marathon, a semi-marathon in more than 30, for me, I'm content, but at the time they make in the conditions of their equipment. If you go in 20, that's bad. If I say to my copy, etc. So I think on Travel. And you know, when I'm the end of my semi and I did 25, it's a quick. Some of the I was on the semi. And I did, even if I had fixed the conditions. And that's a thing that there are people who are capable of doing. And it's the point common of all these entrepreneurs of génie who arrive at the tent of entrepreneurs gigantesque, is that the mechanism have jamais cessé d'essayer. Même sur les échecs. They're jamais dit, okay, c'est un échec, j'ai arrêté, c'est terminé. And this is what you say, c'est-à-dire que même les échecs, clairement, je me suis toujours mieux porté après une épreuve où j'ai fait échec qu'après une épreuve où j'ai pas osé me présenter. Là, je peux te donner.

SPEAKER_00: 1:23:33

Excuse-moi.

SPEAKER_02: 1:23:33

Non, je t'en prie.

SPEAKER_00: 1:23:35

Justement par rapport à ça, parce que c'est... Moi, c'est ça que je trouve super intéressant. C'est cette capacité. Je crois que même il y a... Je ne sais pas si c'était par Richard Branson qui disait ça, que le succès, c'est réussir à perpétuellement se relancer after the échec. Et c'est ça, la réussite or an adage from that. Quand tu as démarré de groupes, tu disais que tu as passé par des apprentissages very difficultés, voire humiliant. If you have an example to do it for that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:24:14

It was on an exercise. And I had an operator in my group. I made it in tight for the infiltration. And he was detected at the derivation of the infiltration, later the press of the enemy. So it's an exercise, but in license, it passes like it was. Sorry that at debris, all the people had remarked this element. So my group was detected quickly after the contact with the enemy. And in reality, and at just titre, we could have we could be in a situation very defavorable. So I ruminated my life. And there was a great debriefing with all the world, but my chef who was here, and I was here. And my son felt a tour. We commanded we have been detected after the day, so that's zero. Because we had a couple, right? I said very well, I'm perfectly conscient, but I don't empower a resentment very force. I don't pay. I don't pay. And so he comes to say that and then I wanted to say, I'm done with an operator hyper jean that I made in ours for the exercise. He's detected, but the guy is. He went to arrive, it's been a week he is there, he has all these things. And that's what I've done en disant that I perfectly default of my responsibility. And the instructor of that, and I began to defend. My pay, my chef made, you can calm, let's go back for a moment. And I was started and I started in college. And it was my second, the second commander who I was watching and made, Ecou, what you've done, it's not possible. You can do that in it. You don't know that because you're a group and it's too the chef. You can't default to a mechanism, it's impossible. And in fact, I think that would arrive with a coup de poing lancing after 10 meters. It was more fun that what my superior had said at this moment. It's too bad for me. It was elementary when I parle, but for the case, I was telling you passionate and tell me energy for you that I was to know that I was enjoying me defaus. And then he said that he said, I'm not sure, it's impossible. And he said a little clinical at the moment I'm saying I was at a place in couple days, and I had exactly the reaction. He was to see the group that he was to say you can have this reaction when you're a group, they're responsible for the world. Mm-hmm. And in fact, it's for my girl, in fact. It's very difficult to admit in my life. I tried it very humility, but it was a very less thing, and for the moment it was not. It was reacted like that, and I've really remarked that we have a point by 10 minutes to compromise the clear. It was just inacceptable. And so for me, it was a very level of view. And it was a moment, but the experience has been that we have a lot of chance and the missions that we have to do have been very passed. And we sort of 200 a few years, two on a morceau, so it was top.

SPEAKER_00: 1:29:22

Donc si je me souviens bien, tu as fait 10 ans, enfin tu sais encore, mais vraiment en opérationnel 10 ans. Qu'est-ce que tu retient toi? Est-ce qu'il y a une mission in particulier qui ressort, qui t'a marqué, que ce soit en positif ou en moins? And si tu devais retenir une celle de ces missions, if it's possible, ce serait laquelle?

SPEAKER_02: 1:29:43

Moi je retiens une mission qui partait sur un échec et qui s'est révélé être un vrai succès. Et donc j'ai pu mettre en œuvre, en rétrospective, ce que l'armée m'a appris. C'est-à-dire que en rentrant dans l'armée, on apprend une discipline, we apprends un cadre very strict, but there are a great origins, traditions, a great ascendance at the arm that explicit where we have an hiérarchy, where we have a cadre, and why it's so rigid. Because it's my format, and the formatage, I'm gonna integrate at that point that it had permitted to develop, to render, to make a second nature with me, and it was totally natural that she can basculate in a formatage very strict at a form of creativity that is part of my nature profound. I don't know if it's clear what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00: 1:31:02

Reste toi-member, in the capitalist forces that have part of you, make the two in a sort of automatism, make the automatism on the force that you've had terribly in too.

SPEAKER_02: 1:31:19

In fact, I'm very creative. And then when I was in the army, I should put this in the boise, I should contract. It's a little good to contract. But a while that I've been put in all the functionality military and tactical, it arrived at a whole point of maturation in my development professional that I made in œuvre with a certain form of creativity that we have, I think, on the terrain, because the terrain is an element where it will repensate some plan of action in permanence. It's a mission that I want in the living. And we have many information on the group that we abord. So I pose questions to the official RANS and they are at the moment or five and that they have two vehicles. We don't have a photo satellite of the end where they are for a pleasure in the arbor, a space of wedding. And then I said it's the environment, I imprint the environment that I've got by satellite. The other things that we have topographic, we have satellite, so it's an image. And then we put the design of the wedding, and at the end of the wedding, a piece of relief. The relief is small, it's interesting. Tactically, I will say to use this relief to catch the appliance, assurance positions of contain the relief before others have these applies, we are part of two groups. The other group got their appearance, we maneuvers. We put it at point with the guys of the group, with my chef ops. And the mission declined as well, because we are in bivouac for a determination. We don't say, we agree, we keep, we are in the helico. In the helico, we want the communications into the different helios, but also with the base area, and we have also the communications with the helicopters of the people who are at the disposition, which will recognize around 5 to 10 minutes after the position the zone. So the enemy flies. And then I pass the teeth on the bottom of the cellular helico for seeing a little bit what happens. We are in plain journey. And then we come to the zone, and I put the flumination that is the zone, and I see the tea that comes together at the zone. The mechanic turned to the tigre, but the tights is in the manage. In the case, the mechanic in the face never are not there for buying tapis. It's good. I put the journey and preparation my equipment and we turn one minute of the zone. The tigre fits a year, the gazelle finds a tears with the road, and we pause. And we were pressed by the time, we had the time to do something. And so now I said, okay, I have a relief. So my point GPS is under my relief. So I passed from my relief to the middle of a bill. That's the most protection. And I realize the work already is enough to amortize the descent. So the time to block the manipul to replace, because there are groups that are the time to pass the info, there are me that will be so much. So I've got the thing, I say, okay, it's right. That's for the tigre continues to tires. So I'm trying to say they're coming in. I said, okay, we're going to pose a billard, there are me that are in the wheel, they are trying to get the tights, but they are armored, they are numbered because the tigre is and they don't have to read it. I said that I think that's complicated. I sort of heli, I sort of l'hiko, the helium around me, and it's deluge the food, we tire the armour lourde, the time we return two plucked at the side in the middle of the beard, and we say, What happens? We did not say what, but we say, What has posted that? What has wanted that manic? So we say, we live, I don't know the consequences, and we come to group of quatre, or three, and we have a movement, these are the glaciers, but always in the foot. So we maneuver to the foot. That's the call. We tires and pas the chance, but it turns out long. The tears are so adjusted, so we don't have the main. That's a good one. For an arm, it's a portrait that's continue to work. And then we arrive at the border of the wedding. We have replicated, we can distinguish the mechanic. Then we have a cardelite that does the position of mech. I don't do all these consignes for that eliminate the most possible. Like I said, the adjoint of my chef ops. I think he detected another situation because we have a fuyard, but there was a fuyard at 400 meters that were put in common, but there are a lot of declining a different situation a little bit. It's an adjoint of my chef. So I said, okay, the situation, the men are completely devoted, so now we're at the manip. So I did so we rest later and the enemy maneuver because clearly there's more of the enemy, and the red year because there's a lot of coverage vegetable. At this moment, I said, okay, that's all they are. I don't know how many they are, but we command it. We say we push, we don't have the shot. It's inevitable. And then we bought, so we have the premier mechanic, we turn on a mechanism on a buisson, the tire d'élite follows the travail at the moment. So we create two, two, three blessings. We arrive at the camion, we verify the camion. Okay, the camion is clear. And then I say my chef, we don't stay there, it's so dangerous. There's a mask vegetable too much of me. The enemy is just there, I don't understand, but he is just there, but I couldn't leave it. And I continue the maneuver. So we continued. At this moment, the guy of CPA were engaged in a situation, so there were mechanics. And the engaged were not at the end of the wheel. So now we were in the wedding we had a tips. So that I'll put why. We were engaged at a very cool portable, a very cool portable by the mechanic down a buon. So we replicate. The mechanic continue to tires. We replicate, the mechanism. I said, No, but it's not possible. The mechanic are in titan. And then I say the tigre, the tigre, before I turn, because they are really very bad. We were on the equipment incredible. They said okay, I see the mechanical. So the mechanic is at 15 meters of me. Tigre normally, the distance minimal engagement is 70 meters. Why? Because there are obus of 20 millimeters that are an obus of 20mm, I don't know, but it's imagine a marker. A marker of tableau of Veleda. It's like that, an obus, so it's a great drink. And it had been mortal after 70 meters. Some of that coined with two mechanics. I don't know what there are, but there are two mechanics there, a pet in the middle of a room very dense, and they were happy to see where we were that we went. And the tea said, I'm vertical now, normally it's okay, wait, because the mechanics aren't. So I'm just the time to say okay, the teeth turned. So a great poussière. We said, Okay, it's bad, the mechanic is more, but we find the room. We said, we tend to get a little grenade, and we are and we went to the point that effectively the mechanic was more. We had bell. We turned to another mechanic plank in a buzz that was attended by the big. But we were hyper fire of our operation and it was a very bad operation. And we are renting on the base and we have this. It was very simple.

SPEAKER_00: 1:45:19

Typically this mission, at the moment where you monitor the helico just to return to the base, it has during the time? Ah ouais, quand même, okay.

SPEAKER_02: 1:45:40

Because in fact, the zone, the gestion of the zone. Ensuite for the part, but we should assemble the cadavres. And so make a feel, assemble all the munitions, all the flingues. We make a feeling fix the explosives to the pickup that we make a foot. And so the helicopter, in the time, get their rotation on the gauge. There's always an helicopter or two on the zone to protect, or a drone or two for protection. And so the helicopter. And so we have the trajectory, we have to do this. The zones are zones that are super eclatted, so we have something of the mission, and we're at the time we were, but we marched a whole time to watch the mortal, the prisoner at the ball, like the other prisoners, it's a plagiarization.

SPEAKER_00: 1:46:49

But it's a ton of time of I was not saying that, but when you said intensity, I think the question I had on the end was just the time of actions in the apartment.

SPEAKER_02: 1:47:11

The impression that it's interminable. It's super interesting. In fact, we have the capacity. So we can see a throne super line. And we have a capacity of focal, we can get the point very much on what we have to do. But we have also a capacity just at 170 degrees of vision with a resolution more for, but a vision peripheral movement. All the movements that there are at 170 degrees, we detect systematically. In the world animals, it's the proof when they are, they feel. We have a bad view, but we have a view that is very limited. It is limited on a very big disk face to us, and our resolution is point by point in permanence. It is in permanence. What's the elastic. They have experience on a gentleman who had so elastic. And in fact, they don't need a gentleman anywhere in thequel you have to defilaient. And those who have that, but pendant un sol elastic. And in fact, it is true that pendant elastic we have a poussée d'endorphines and hormones, not only adrenaline, which augmented the capacity, the visual and the capacity cognitive, the capacity of the memory, etc. It's for that we have these moments that fish. Because we have a process very puissant than our processes of quotient that made in place and permit to know plus, to enregist plus. It's for that when we are in this moments of stress, it's for one minute there one year. And it's for that generally after a moments like that, we have these hypoglycémies, parce que the corner has consumed enormously reserves, because it's made in an event of entrainment, I would say. I brew the pistol, I blanch simply certain certain donations because if I did these elements, in fact it causes a lot of money, I think, to the army, and it's not what I'm doing. I simply arranged these are very for the case, which are very. What not being associated with a problem of diffusion of secret military. So we don't know who and when the lives, even if things who know, the gas. But in the way, but it permitted also to go low in the RC. Because if I had done all the details of what, in fact I was obliged to revolt certain details for the questions of jurisprudence, for these questions legal, already I've been as long as the RC, say certain things that certainly certain journalists who have interviewed, who connected certain situations, or to the point who they connect, have decoured certain elements supplémentaires that I've apported grass. It's a tactic, it's a strategy that I've adopted, but it's for the bien ducteur and the bien of the mettre le lien versus that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:55:28

Encore unexpected pour ton temps, ta dispo et ton authenticity. It's super viable comme échange.

SPEAKER_02: 1:55:53

I'm very flatter and to you.

SPEAKER_00: 1:55:56

In the time you have for the time a big lesson of humility, so that's what I refer to our exchange.