SPEAKER_00: 1:04

Et j'avoue qu'en fait, ce que je retiens de mes courses maintenant à chaque fois, c'est les pires moments. C'est quand il m'est arrivé les plus grosses galères, c'est ça qui va me marquer, c'est ça que je vais retenir. Et ça va devenir au final les pires moments deviennent les meilleurs souvenirs. Parce que putain mais c'était formidable la fois où je me retrouve en haut du grand col ferré, il fait moins 6 et je me rends compte que ma veste, j'ai pété la fermeture éclair.

SPEAKER_02: 1:35

Bienvenue sur Les Frappés, le podcast sur le dépassement de soi et l'aventure sous toutes ses formes. Je suis Loïc Blanchard, ancien sportif de haut niveau, amoureux d'outdoor et cofondateur de Papyrus, la solution qui permet aux entreprises d'engager and to develop their talents toute l'année. For en savoir plus, c'est sur papyrus. My mission avec les frappés is de vous inspirer à passer à l'accident pour atteindre vos objectifs les plus courts en vous faisant découvrir chaque semaine des invités exceptionnels in univers variés. We reçu aussi bien des champions olympiques que des sportifs amateurs, des aventuriers professionnels, des membres des forces spéciales or also entrepreneurs. These and others have had the choice to vivid their passion and are for me a source of inspiration. We have in the moment 4 000 semaines on there, already. For this episode, I accue Alexandre Bouchek, so the name of Casquette Verte. What he has been in 2022 has environed 20 km per jour. And Alexandre has an approach atypique of the T-Copping that I'm also, he caste les codes. Le jour où l'accepter posture pour son road quotidien le conflit, il passera autre chose avec la satisfaction d'être allé au bout de l'expérience très bien. Un super étang avec un truc dévant la vie dont je retiens le message suivant, chaque instant chemin, il n'y a pas de vérité absolue et c'est finalement ça le plus beau. Alors lancez-vous et tracez votre propre route. C'est parti, excellente écoute à vous les frapper.

SPEAKER_00: 3:27

Hello Loïc, hello Loic. Merci de me recevoir chez toi and the oreilles of tes auditors. It's a pleasure for me to registrate the podcast.

SPEAKER_02: 3:38

I'm super content, super content that we're going to put the time to get this episode. Alex, alias casket vert, because I think there are a certain number in the case who this is.

SPEAKER_00: 4:09

Okay, okay. Alright, but Alex after 2014. Alex is known in 1991 by a matter of froid 10 November. At the time. I think it's the first episode started. But 13 November, logically, I don't know if it appears chance or malchance, but there's a little bit. I did sport in club when I was, but I passed a lot of time to get the sport, but a sport, pleasure, loisir, with their pot or too. I have the souvenir of passing a day and years to entrain, to make a jungle, because I adored the football and I was fanatic of Zizou. And I repeated, I repeated a hundred and their roulette, just passed. And I had a roulette at arms. I'm not with them, but Iran to be too much. Iran to repeat because I'm saying that it's repeated, it should enormously fear and reproduce a gesture, in the case in sport, for that it was natural and that it is simple. And I was wondering at the jeans of that, for being bad, for me the talent exists, it felt. The first week of commerce, I was inscribed. Okay, okay. I went through the escaliers and I had a pot who had been so ascenseur, but I never arrived there. I wanted to return to my sport, the skateboard, I was enjoying to meet and pass six minutes party, and I sense me casserely or what you said. Je crois que c'était la Saint-Elion ou les Cotrails in quelques minutes. Tout ce que je connaissais de la course à pied, moi, c'était qu'une fois par an sur France 3, le dimanche matin, il n'y avait pas les dessins animés quand j'étais gamin, mais il y avait des mecs qui couraient pendant 2h00, 2h30 on the froid. Et donc il m'a amené courir et au début c'était atroce. J'ai vraiment pas aimé ça. C'était naze, c'était naze. Parce que voilà, I fumay beaucoup at the book, and I've dug the physique, donc j'ai le souvenir que the first time I faisait 2-3 kilomètres, je disais stop, je rentrais en marchant, on s'embrouillait, and I me saoulé, les baskets, je les rangais dans un coin and I was pendant plusieurs semaines. And the fact that I'm not the orgueil or what, but he has to make that tour. And I put a little bit to me, ah, I'm going to have 5 kilometers, it's a normal. The project we decided to have 8, the project. I mean to partake that on the réseaux, like two beauf that we have during these days. It's phenomenal to have 10 kilometers in one hour, or in more than an hour, in 59 minutes and 58 seconds. So we have our RP, and we're very happy to find it. And I was a bit fine by that. And very rapidly, I said, you can get a semi-marathon with a great dosar, the semi-marathon of Paris. And then you could see Papi, it has a semi-marathon. And I wanted to get it. It was very delicious. And I was in total, not in diletting, but I regarded the method of preparation, the planning, the program. I was very at the rage. The principle of putting a basket and the principle of a semi-marathon, but it was just to go to 21 boards. I did not prepare specifically. And the time that I had 21, I said, but if you've got 21, you do have 42. So I did the marathon of Paris. I've had 4 hours and we're in a boett. And therefore, after I finished that, he had revealed me and said, Okay, but it's good, I've discovered what it's the semi-marathon. This is the trail. And he made my Saint Etienne to Lyon, 75 kilometers along the day. So the neige, so de la pluie, so the fruit, so the verglass, but it was always a true. And the whole time we realized, it's an immense accomplishment. For me, I've been one point to another on the cart météo of Vindelia, so I'm represented that also. And you've got in courant, the night. And at particular, I began to introduce the milieu. For me, it was a ovni, they were totally extraterrestrial. I was a little bit at the point, but I trained a little bit on YouTube. Keep this sport, t'as déjà couru 42, t'as déjà couru 80, because they're so long, where continue? And I was inscribed at my 100 kilometers on montagne, it was the CCC, the pet UTMB. I've been tired of the sort the first week. I remember I rent the boîte de nuit. I remember it was the planches. I rent the planches, very ivrucks. It's my video of phone for my dorm, certainly made the SMR, the song, but it was my video of Kylian, documentaire sur la diagonale des fou. And La Rignon, the low city of the planet, traversing in diagonal. And that's not fun, but just that I motivate a bit to me entraîn, but I passed your time to preparer my corps and the plus apt possible to potentially courses later. T'as 25 ans, tous tes potes are en trained their carriage professionnelle, ils bougent à Paris, ils sont en train de faire la tough en ce moment. Et toi là, tu es au départ de la diagonale des fous. Tu vas partir pour 165 km. Tu ne sais pas si ça va te prendre 30, 35, 40, 50, 60 heures. Tu es jeudi soir, peut-être que tu vas terminer la course dimanche matin. Et tu n'en as aucune idée. Et donc il y avait une... Il n'y avait pas tellement de peur. C'était juste... Je me plonge dans un truc que je ne connais pas du tout. Voyons ce que ça va donner. Et j'ai vécu une aventure humaine et introspective très forte. Ça m'a mis une énorme claque, en fait, je pense, cette première diagonale. Et je l'ai refaite deux fois depuis, enfin, là, trois fois même cette année. Et à chaque fois, j'ai pris une énorme claque avec cette course. Mais ça m'a changé et ça s'est bien passé parce que je fais un top 100 sur ma première participation. En plus de kiffer ce sport-là, it se trouve que tu n'as pas l'air si mauvais pour un Parisien qui continue à faire la fête et qui fume des clops. Là je me suis dit, bon, voilà, il faut peut-être que tu persévères un petit peu dans l'ultra. And that's what I've had. It's a bit my diagonal. And now it's been 4-5 years where I'm a little persévérer là-dedans. And là depuis 3 ans, l'ultra trail and the pratique de la course à pied ultra and the term. It's really my quotidien. C'est-à-dire que you've got quasiment where I feel abstraction, but I'm here two years entrepreneurs per journey and grosso modo I feel 25 and 35 kilometers all the years and I feel an ultra a par mois, a peu près sur l'année. It's devenuing a pratique très chronophage, which me prend beaucoup de temps.

SPEAKER_02: 21:57

Avec ce montant horaire, it's plus a mode of view quite a pratique.

SPEAKER_00: 22:02

The stat that meant pepper à chaque fois. But the year, en gros, I've couru 34 jours d'affilée, c'est-à-dire que you prend plus d'un mois. J'ai passé plus d'un mois à courir, donc I've had plus d'un 12e of my life that I passed to move a piece devant l'autre. Don't you have 24 hours that I'm passing to course. Ou sinon, même ça m'arrive maintenant beaucoup d'aller en soirée en courant, de passer la soirée et de rentrer, il est 1, 2, 3 heures du mat et je rentre en courant chez moi. Donc c'est devenu même presque un mode de déplacement. Donc le pass navigo, j'ai la mise de transport à Paris. Maintenant j'ai justement quelques tickets pour y aller le matin. Mais sinon j'en ai plus besoin en fait. And that's assez drôle to say that it was a distance that me parissa totally traversed Paris en métro, that means totally full. But now it's not sufficient. C'est-à-dire que when I rent chez moi the soir, I'll go to Montmartre, I'll get the hamster in all the senses, and after I continue, I'll pousse it just to me for this volume that I'm less, I consacre 95% même voire plus de mes congés, de mes RTT, dans la course à pied et dans l'ultra. Donc déjà là je mets assez cher à mon corps, mais je sais que c'est pas un rythme que je pourrais tenir avec that niveau d'implication pendant encore des années and des années. Donc je sais que d'ici quelques années, dès que je vais vouloir consacrer toute time to autre chose, plutôt potentiellement at the construction of a family or something, I raccrocherai les sandales and the cascade verte. And I could do the view that I have actually been for a semi-marathon and now I'm retrieved to gain these ultra by UTMB, too with the people who are the meille of the discipline. Jamais in my life, I'm already saying that on the UTMB, on the départ I was voting like Kylian, and that Kylian ou Mathieu Blanchard ou Jim Wemsley or Zach Miller, the mechanical en poster chez moi, you m'a redoublé just a moment and you're published course avec eux. Après c'est un équilibre à trouver entre cette pratique qui est excessive, excessive dans le bon sens du terme, je trouve, parce que dans l'excès il y a plein de bonnes choses aussi. I'm an ultra trailer and I'm classed from elite. It's as much these two vies.

SPEAKER_02: 26:10

Excellent, it's close. Okay, so it's incredible, effectively, like you said, this piece of double casket for a big jean. But I have between people who work in a manner classic, trenten, cadre, dynamic, and the week and weekend, after people who have 25, 30 per year and an ultra per month. You know because I explained that your life in the college, you have really plainly, on those aspects of the sport.

SPEAKER_00: 27:08

We did a Alexa, but when we say Alexey, you have a pejorative that me play because Alexei is just for me, saying the boot of the shows. And you have that in the course à pied, but you're in all in your relationship with the others, in a view professional. For me, we attain jump that limit on all the cherry, on the dépassant, and it exists, and that it is very certainly plus long ago. So you say I made it party, I don't know what I've got this image, and I pousse with the boot of my doig an object, and I'm not that she could encourage tendre l'embrass, le pousser encore un petit peu plus loin. On considère souvent que c'est du talent ou que voilà, il n'est pas fait comme nous, ou elle a quelque chose en plus. No, no, en fait, c'est juste que dans notre mindset, dans notre façon de faire, je pense que c'est lié à notre éducation. Moi j'ai une éducation dans laquelle on m'a toujours dit pas t'es pas t'es pas fini comme garçon, t'es pas au sens pas terminé, mais au sens tu peux toujours aller beaucoup plus loin que ce que de toi tu penses. Ne pense pas, ne te réduis pas à ça, parce que dans la réalité, c'est en tentant et en essayant de manière itérative que tu vas te rendre compte que tu peux te dépasser. C'est pas quelque chose que je m'impose. It's not a contrainte. And if just it is a contraint, or it does be a contraint, I think I'm my limit is there. The moment it depends on a contraint, but it's my limit. And I think the tour of this sport and I mean, in fact, after the call of commerce where I'm a booty, after the ultra trade where I should go to the truck, after the skateboard, after the handball, after the football. Is it the billbook? Is it the voice? Like he turned into a truck, the ultra-tray is coming to a delirium. It's a bit dangerous.

SPEAKER_02: 30:23

Genre the skydiving or a thing.

SPEAKER_00: 30:25

Exactly, exactly. I think the project in the which I'm going to get a chance of more risky. After all the risks that measure a shot, but no, but it's a little bit, and it's a little bit the thing I've done in Forrest Gump. We see this Forest Gump, the runner, but he m'avait marqué à courir where the mechanism and many ultra intense, in the guerrillas, pratique du football américain. In the ping-pong, in the education of an audience, in the covet. We are capable of the life. And in fact, it would be just to get. We can see the girl and pete the dents, but it's not. And on perseverant, we can do it. So that I'm convinced. And he has this pet phrase when he part and he says the côte American of côte à côte in my souvenir. He arrived at the bay and at a moment he said because I'm so long, where continue? And then I'm a bit low. And it's for that we are fin 2022 and I'm enjoying what are the courses that I've enjoyed for the prochain. And it's drilling plenty of courses fewer days, there's a plenty of course where I'm trying to say, but you have to return, to read an ultrasound, ultrasound. It's been simple to inscrire and not for the first, because that is normal to participate at these ultra exactly like I went to course or Fran Prix or Monoprix at Bootmark. It's a normal. It was just my condition that I had to consider that as extraordinary. Although it wasn't extraordinary at the moment we decided to work, and in a moment, after we arrived.

SPEAKER_02: 33:23

After we have the PTL.

SPEAKER_00: 33:33

That's super bonus. It was obligated. It's obligatory to get a show.

SPEAKER_02: 34:17

But blague apart, you say that I did not long, so I was in group France for three days. And you know, I think that it's an excellent way, but all the arts martial to survey your equilibrium. I absolutely jump. I have a lot of trials like you, but I have a lot of montagnes, and in all the courses that I've done, the trek, etc. I am not. I don't know how I'm gonna have reflex of judo, I think, that are where I'm recuperating. So put your judo, it's an excellent training for the trade. But on this entrepreneur, you know, we play the displacement, the difficulty, of how to challenge and grow the challenge. And in fact, it's exactly what I did, it's exactly what I did. After you have, you know, but in fact, if I have, it's what I do enjoy. I put the example of the PTL, because it's a little thing that I can say in ultra. And then I've had the PTL, I'm like, but in fact, 300 bornes in six hours and we're gonna be possible, you know. So it should challenge many crowns that I have on the course at the end, the endurance, the preparation, etc. So it's super interesting.

SPEAKER_00: 35:57

And in the world of the course at the end, it's a child who is my manner to be. I'm not saying rebelle, but I'm very Cyrano in the way of it, not, but I'm just saying, not just regarding and not sure the consequences, the top three things that you can absolutely do to the course of course. And in the course of pay, there are injunctions of oh, but two marathons per month. My marathon, I think six per semaine during three years. And in fact, it's not a so to go into these injunctions, but in the final very injunctions are fitted for the gross mass volume. They're very generic and very general, and in fact the practice in two, I think, professional and sportive when we say the sport, it's individualizing at more and anything generic function quasiment on person, eternally, because a lot of different of it. It's not really the physical, it's also the more gestion of the alienation. And when you say you tap nutrition, alimentation, then you turn into a gouffe of guru and tarot in the trail that will explain that you can absolutely, if you don't want that, if you have that, you can get that. And grosso modo, if you see the consequences, you're sure that you can go to the murder, because it will be the range and the record that will function for you. You're obliged in the iterative, to get your test and learn. And okay, I'm gonna test if on sort of 5 hours you arrive en buvant low or another boisson, is that it passes for me, is that it's interesting that you press ducré, du salé, and for the very long distance, you're obliged to have a test at plus grand échelle. But it's individualise and moi, I'm demanding, wait, I do manager quoi pour telle course, telle trucks. And that's what we disait tout à l'heure on a l'impression d'avoir des limites tout le temps, mais en fait c'est des limites à un instant T. A cause de ces injonctions extérieures, on nous dit qu'il faut qu'il faut absolument après un ultra, c'est un mois de repos. Putain, moi, je sais pas, l'année dernière, c'était un délire. Je fais l'Ultra 01, donc un 100 miles avec 7000 de dénivelé, et six jours plus tard, je prends le départ de l'UT4M, pareil, 180 km et 11 000 de dénivelé. A priori, j'en suis pas mort. A moins que tout ça ne soit qu'un rêve, but a priori j'en suis pas mort. It's a little coming, it's a little like the homes who arrogate the right to jugger the fancy on the moy of contraception. And it's a little bit constructed on that. And I've always had a moment to make the main sur la plaque chaude to me that it was shade. And I was conscience that it fallacy to manage the salad, and I was retrovision to make two malaises pendant la course. And now it's very drôle parce que with the recul, I'm a bit troubled my recette, but I'm quasing at the inverse now, where I made a little bit of salé en course that's sucré.

SPEAKER_02: 41:22

Top. Je serais curious to see what it is.

SPEAKER_00: 41:36

L'année dernière aussi. Alright, in the way, I'm a cuisses, it's a mastodont. But at particular, if you demand to leave the valise at the aéroport, I'm in stress. It's just handicap. And I party with a mechanical Antoine Guillon, who is a legend of the sport, who has been, I've been a quinza defensive layout, and the quinza default the moitié of the four. He has gone in, it's an eternal deuxième of the ultra trail. At the final diagonal, you demand the consequences just to muscle, please. And he did, ooh, but certainly. The haut du corps, it's not a poll. But there's zero abdos. Après, c'était pas un but en soi. Il y a plein de gens with which je parle who my example motivate eux aussi. Ils voulaient perdre du poids et donc à se mettre à courir et à perdre du poids. But ça, il faut faire super gaffe parce que j'ai un pote là, c'est marrant. Même profil que moi, il était un petit peu en surpoids avec une grosse IMC at the book. He said to courir and now they have two ultras ensemble. And he had an IRM il y a pas longtemps de ses genoux. And he pensait qu'il allait se faire détruire by the médecin because he had a lot of kilometers and ultrasound. He pensayed it all directly, the cartilage is finished, and in 10 years you're in fauteuil roulant. And in fact, it's just the moment where he was rendered where he was in surpoids, and he commenced a courage, and it was a kilos en trop that venue and using this cartilage at this moment, but even if he had perdup his poids en trot, même si he had multiplicated by 10 or 15 the volume d'entraînement parasites at this epoch-là, étant donné que surpoids and the corps created, une physiological that it used to be more like that, he had a trace of a pet moment yet six months, where it had during surpoids et là il a usé, and en ayant perdu du poids il usait plus.

SPEAKER_02: 46:11

Ah incroyable.

SPEAKER_00: 46:14

And trail, surtout, c'est ça qui est cool, c'est que là tu vois, on parle de nous un peu des avant-postes et de ce qui se passe, mais voilà, la diagonale des fous, le premier, il la termine en 24 heures, mais le dernier, il la termine en 66 heures. Et 66 heures, je pense que c'est je ne connais pas la moyenne, mais ça doit être moins de 4 km heure, donc tu peux le faire en marchant, grosso modo. En marchant vite, mais en marchant. And very souvent, au départ des trails, tu vois des gens qui sont un peu enrobés, who are un peu en surpoids. Moi je trouve ça très impressionnant parce que c'est des gens qui se lancent des défis de fou. Parce que les trimballes les kilos. And you've got many people who trouve dans le trail a solution to découvrir soi-même, dépasser ses limites, and tenter de perdre du poids.

SPEAKER_02: 47:06

Ouais, ouais, non, très clairement. Heureusement la PTL, it's not too course, but you finally quite.

SPEAKER_00: 47:55

Xavier Thesnar qui is too pet and trapped. Kylian Jornett is pet and very lesser. Pocapelle who is plenty of physique like lean. Don't have two types of physique. But it's an aspect interesting of this sport.

SPEAKER_02: 48:28

Alright, just a recette, we're not going to say, but in couple years I've got a song miles by the UTMB in Swed. Alright, you said if I pronounce it, it's what's cool a manen, is that? Exactly. You've got to pronounce it. Okay. Coolamanen. And in the way of getting it, I've petted the record of the event. What's that the recette magic for arrive at that?

SPEAKER_00: 48:57

In fact, the recettes magic is that it was seven hours that I cours. And au border, it's a bâtard. It's a little bâtard. The organization, Pierre in France, the organisation is a little taquin, he's a little bit vislard, and he felt passing by the scientific in which there's a passage ultra technique, or it's passing the border at the end where it's a champ de cailloux, there's nothing. Last ravitaillement is the 24th, the two at the 56mm, the three at the 82th. I used to louper unravito, I was like 38 kilometers with a seven bit of float. And he had an ambiance with Kula Manem where he's a chevalier in armour. And it's an ambiance, and you think that you think the long and he has to recognize these stories during the years. We pass an end where it's the only monument in Europe that has for vocation to commemorate the descent of an ovni. Je suis arrivé vers 9h du mat. Grosso modo à 18h, de toute façon ça fait déjà 2 ou 3 heures qu'il fait nuit. Tu cours toute la nuit, et moi je suis arrivé, il a fait une heure de jour à la fin, donc très particulier. Et pareil, ils font en fait un mode de course où on a un balisage qui est très très léger, c'est-à-dire qu'ils ne mettent quasiment pas de rubalises. Il y a des trails en France où tu as des rubalises quasiment toutes les 25 mètres, et donc c'est très dur de se perdre. Là-bas, it's très très léger. Il y a plein d'endroits où en fait ils mettent même pas du tout de rubalises, you can suive the GR, if you've got local. It's a little bit for the PTL. I was part of very vent. I was rejoined by a specialist norvégien, and also by a Belge who made battery on the UTMB quelques minutes. Je suis parti très fort, on va dire. Jusqu'au 50e kilomètre. Du 50 au 80, j'ai été fort mais tranquille. Ça m'a permis de rattraper le Belge. And at partir du 80e, à la mi-cours, je me suis dit, bon bah, là tu accélères. J'ai accéléré jusqu'à la fin. Et c'est passé. Et c'est passé. Là, tu te dis, c'est des trucs de fou. Je crois que je suis en moyenne à 5 minutes 33 du kilomètre de souvenir. Donc je vais être à pas très loin de 11 km heure. Et ce qui est drôle, c'est qu'au quotidien, quand je rentre du taf ou quoi, je vais à cette vitesse parce que je suis fatigué ou quoi. And là tu te dis, bon bah t'as just 15 hours at that allure. It's as well, and when it's terminated, it's terminated, but you're like the final time it had during 15 hours.

SPEAKER_02: 54:10

This is really nickel or a phase of down that.

SPEAKER_00: 54:25

It's very rare. And I've got my 25 hours, on the diagonal, I've been 15 hours of pas bien du tout au fond of trouble, à ramper, etc. Generally on my ultrasound, for these ultrasound, you have to do one or two hours of pas bien du tout. And 15 hours, it had quasiment aucun moment de moins bien. J'étais tout le temps bien, j'étais tout le temps at my place, je me mettais pas trop dans le rouge. J'avançais comme je savais le faire. And Ravito. J'avais pas prévu de faire presque 40 bandes sans flotte at a moment. The frontal that commence to clignoter, donc change la batterie, I make the two battery, the battery in board of two minutes it comes to clignother, and hop, I'm returned in the noir, I've been, ooh, I'm going to use two batteries, I've got one in my sack. If the three is there, I'd just not advance it because we are in the nuit noir in the middle of the forest in Swedish and I made the three battery, it clignotes, it comes to reduce, and I rattrapped a mechanical course of 100 km, just to attain a village where it was a little bit éclair. But that was d'autres problematics. Un ultra, il y a toujours des problématiques, and il y a toujours de l'inattendu, et tu auras beau préparer parfaitement le truc. Ça ne se passera jamais comme tu l'as prévu. Il y a tellement de variables dans ce sport qui peuvent faire que ça se passe mal que forcément même si tu tentes et que avec l'expérience, tu arrives à réduire le fait au début sur, je sais pas, imagine que tu as 100 fois 100 points de ça se passe mal. Au début, the premier four, en fait, tu prends 97 fois le ça se passe mal, and you're three, and the three things. Plus tu avances et plus t arrives to release the problem. Aujourd'hui, you consider that en gros when I arrive on your course I've got 90% of the maîtrise. After I have enormously fine to consider that, but the truck which I maîtrise pas too. I maîtrise a ravito, but it's a man of attention, it's not as prepared the course in the moon. My Pedzel, I've never anticipated that the humidity would make that discharge my battery. Là, en Suède, toutes les feuilles étaient par terre. It will malware at n nim what moment. L'UTMB, quand tu pars avec 2000 personnes, tu peux trébucher 200 mètres après le départ, parce que quelqu'un devant toi ou quoi, and you're explosively left, and alors ton rêve, et t'as beau avoir préparé toute la course, tu t'es foiré parce que tu as loupé le trottoir à la sortie de Chamonix. Donc il y a tellement de choses faites pour lesquelles ça se passe mal que tu es obligé, si tu veux bien le vivre, tu es obligé, et c'est un truc que moi j'ai appris dans l'ultra parce que je suis arrivé en tant que grand anxieux, tu es obligé de relativiser all the problems and te préparer que tout peut arriver dans la gueule parce que de toute façon it's arrived en ellos and it will accept parce que de toute façon it will be back.

SPEAKER_02: 59:27

My départ de la PTL, we rejoice the sacks. We have a sack of all the base for the sack of alleged. So we have a stack d'engagement that we have the way the day that we prepared and we deposit the matter. I live the day of the course, so it is at 6h06, the department is at 8h30. I verify the earlier, and that's the end, there was a champ, etc. And I went away in my back. Not the back of the page, you know, my back of the PTL. I said, What's it? This is a flu of light that passed by the wall or something. I said, No, no, I've got my front that was almost the house in my back, the day. The classic.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:14

I appreciate that there's a thing that I've debranted, so I'm branching the battery and I branched the entrefill with the two when I make it in my back. In fact, it's arrived a while for that you can have that astuce derived.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:34

Completely. And you know, I'm sure the trail or the trek that you're gonna have, so it's another rhythm, but you are also where you're gonna meteor, etc. I had also a bit of a mind to Punesse. It had something that I had read, it impacted a bit. The time that I profited of the event. In a very long time, I recognized an interview of David, Goggins. I don't know how it pronounced, it's an American who is a SILS, who had plenty of things, it is inspirant. And he explained that he, in the effort that he created, he attended his moments with impatience, that the moment it happens a he attends that. In fact you know that it's exactly like the gestion of those impressions that you progress, that you have, that you engage these new words and you can ameliorate for the time. So we attend with impatience, you know. So if you have a course where it happens, at least he is, but I've got a course, but I'm not particularly ameliorated for the project. So if you do the galeric, you're trying to wait, they're not gonna make gaffe, it plays, the big nutrition, etc. But it's the experience that you're engaged.

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:00

That's clear. I'm not already at the point to say provocative inattendu. And I've kept my experience. And that will be the big moments the bigger.

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:11

Excellent. Excellent. Alex, du coup tu disais que tu penses que tu n'as pas encore encore au bout des choses dans l'univers de l'ultra. Comment est-ce que tu concept la suite?

SPEAKER_00: 1:03:26

Moi, the format that I'm here, it's the format 100 miles, 1000 m de dénivelé with the gross course, style, UTMB, DIAG, etc. You don't need a port of sort of the year where you have top 10 at the DIAG, you arrest the courage. And that's the problem is that I'm reproach. So respect his dear, so trich it a bit to turn the 11. But no, I continue to say the formats 100 miles, continue to say to more maîtrise. It's my course of the coefficient, and I've not too maîtrished. I'm foiring, I'm cassetting the girl, I made 10 hours of plus queen. I'm not in the recherche of the performance. And also I say that I've got 99% of the things, and the 1% that I'm resting to have to encourage me to ameliorate, it demands thousands of rigor, telling the sacrifice, etc. Moi je suis dans une pratique plaisir, c'est-à-dire que je ne prends pas trop la tête, I continue to have the fêtes, I mean, contraint pas in my entraînement to suive a model, a planning. And I say that to attain the 100% of the performance, to progress and attain the truck that me sépare des tous meilleur, it would have demanded a lot of sacrifice that I've been enjoying to be there. I'm participating to get a semi and in the middle I gave the 100 miles at the end in Swedish. The mechan made a surname, c'était The Ghost, because they estimated that I passed a bit in the ravito that I was existing, it was a phantom. At the base, we did just a semi and it transformed in that, you know, plus your meilleure view. Profitant and I think the beside to change encore plus long. The only thing that meant is that I'm going to get what I've done at the very long distance. And you have a truck that's the tort des géants du côté de Chamonix, but the late côté du Mont Blanc that me tate un peu, which I'm gonna voice là-bas if I decouvere the memory when I've over the fenêtre sur my diagonal. C'est-à-dire à une vitesse qui est plus proche de celle de l'UTMB. Et il m'a dit que lui, il pensait que c'était possible. Donc j'aimerais bien voir si voilà, si j'arrive à dans le jeu vidéo, on appelle ça faire un speedrun, mais à speedrun a un peu trouvé la méta d'un tort des géants et de plutôt que le format traditionnel d'un tort où les gens vont essayer d'aller pas lentement, mais d'être sage dans leur avancée, et de mettre des blocs de sommeil, d'avoir prévu à l'avance des blocs de sommeil, moi j'aimerais bien le tenter en une autre version, une version, okay, tu vas plein de boule, tu essayes d'avancer le plus rapidement possible, et ça va craquer un moment, mais peut-être que tu aurais avancé assez vite pour que ton craquage fasse que ça passe quand même plus rapidement que les gens qui décident de le tenter en sagesse. Donc je ne sais pas si c'est possible. De ce qu'on me dit, je devrais le regretter, mais j'ai envie de le tenter quand même. Donc ça, ça va être dans les petites expériences que je vais faire, en tout cas avant de raccrocher la casquette du trail et de l'ultra. Donc il y a un peu de ça. Et après, il y a aussi tout le personnage de casquette verte qui s'est créée. J'aime pas parler de communauté, mais donc il y a plein de gens qui regardent ce que je fais un peu mon quotidien et je m'en amuse et je joue beaucoup sur les réseaux sociaux. Mais il y a tout un truc qui s'est créé et je trouve que c'est un peu dommage de ne pas s'en servir. Pas au sens où jamais de ma vie, je serai des jeux de concours Instagram, des codes promo et des trucs comme ça, parce que je ne suis pas là pour vendre des cascades, quoi. Mais pourquoi pas m'en servir pour essayer de soit faire passer un message, soit pour une cause que ce soit humanitaire or other. But servir de ce truc-là, pour essayer de créer quelque chose... On mettant une hypothèque sur sa barque, on faisait du forcing auprès des chaînes de télé for that they accept. Enfin, il leur a mis des grosses clés de bras force. And voilà, me dire que justement avec une envie et de la détermination, we could have a trucks that are utter to us. Did I quotient, uh, sauve pasta. When I feel like the concept of courir pour. I've got to compromise a bit more, but I've been doing person who courage pour quelque chose and that really advanced the child. My quotidien métro-boulot dodo is a great man of sense profond in my quotidien. People have an utility on me servant of the truck that's construed by the bill of course at pied and on my servant until other people at the time.

SPEAKER_02: 1:10:49

Excellent. Excellent. What is the message of the fun for you for your experience for the seven years, what you've used to do with the university of Ultra, your approach very different, too. I don't know if you catch actively the code, but in the case and I'm going to not forget to sure the dog in place. It's quite that you would partake with anyone who's saying, Well, I'm going to get my first course about the 14 kilometer of the equipping the year.

SPEAKER_00: 1:11:21

But it's not right.

SPEAKER_02: 1:11:23

But no, but I think I'm saying because it was my. I'd like to open the parentheses on my question because it's a little my speciality, so I'm going to try to go now. But my first course it was the 10 kilometer. It was a 10 or a 14, I don't know if I did 14, but I think it's a 10. My course was 10 kilometers of the equipe, and the Saint Elion, and after the semi-marathon, marathon and after I was passing on the triathlon, Iron Man, etc. But I did it on the moment because in fact it was really my course, you know. My course was the course of the equipe.

SPEAKER_00: 1:12:00

But after my course, it was a semi. It was a color run of 5 kilometers, and it was a defiance for me. It was a very difficult... Ouais, de toute façon, c'est un peu le truc où je pense que le goût, on l'a un peu fait passer dans notre discussion toute long, c'est que grosso modo, ça va être le slogan de Nike, mais nothing is impossible. And c'est pas grave de se foirer. Vaut mieux tenter, tenter, tenter. Parfois, on va se provenir que un truc qu'on pensait impossible, it's possible, and we can ressorpze enormously fierté, d'être, comment, to bought the fesses of some canapy, and to have reusing impossible. But when we échoue also, it's not less on the which I'm insisting. And it's also not resignated. We are an expert now. In terms of resilience, now we are an expert with what we have in the days. We have progressive society to the capacity of resilience and the capacity to not abandon. But think you have the enemy to tell this truck later a boat and to say that it's not totally possible, it's not continue to tell you. It's a good thing. My survey to my line ghost level, I'm not leaving. My survey at my corner to travel the launch, but it traverses the lay union. It's telling me formidable to make ne pas le faire and rest on your canapé and regard Netflix, it's quite a bit domain, it's quite a bit. The spirit is tent l'impossible, tentons the impossible and passenger different, another way, change to fear differently, but the impossible feel also in if anyone would say that one should be impossible, it's not because they have the method. Bougezvous.

SPEAKER_02: 1:17:35

It was just genius to change with you with your work, what I've made in place, what I've discovered in the ultra. It's impossible to not tell you the impossible, you know, I think, for you pleasant. So super message. A great mercy. If they want to sure, the idea is what? Instagram, casket vertex, that's it.

SPEAKER_00: 1:18:03

I'm a bit on all the resources, casket vertex on n'importe quickly. I'm not going to be able to tick tock. Franchement, sincerely, I've had the malware.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:43

Génial. Trop bien. Merci encore, Alex. Je te dis pourquoi pas à bientôt, peut-être pour le débrief de ton tort que tu auras fait en mode speedrun.

SPEAKER_00: 1:19:07

But ça va être un peu galère au niveau des congés de poser une semaine à ce moment-là, puis après de reposer deux semaines pour aller deux fois à Chamonix. Try. Excellent. Merci Alex. Tout le meilleur pour la suite. C'est moi et tout le meilleur pour ton podcast and you feel.

SPEAKER_02: 1:19:55

Trop bien, on va écoute avec grand plaisir. Et puis bah tu me diras ce que tu en as porté. Allez, merci Alex. Ciao ciao.